Should writers give up on getting paid for their writing?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by elemenoP

As for product placement, heh:

"The action hero paused while loading his Glock to drink a refreshing Coke. He then checked the weather app on his Verizon HTC Thunderbolt, pulled on his Timberline boots, shrugged into his Banana Republic jacket, and headed out to his Jeep Grand Cherokee."

And that hero's name is most likely Bond. James Bond.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by stonetools

Amazon has filed a patent for ad-supported ebooks. I don't think they did that as an academic exercise:

LINK

What on EARTH makes that worthy of a patent? How is that novel or non-obvious?

[carld]

Originally Posted by 5thWiggle

Never suggested he was wrong about wanting to be paid.

Then I don't see the point of dismissing him as a grumpy old man.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by carld

Then I don't see the point of dismissing him as a grumpy old man.

It wasn't a dismissal. Have you ever heard the man rant?

[carld]

Originally Posted by ApK

It wasn't a dismissal. Have you ever heard the man rant?

Of course, I posted a link to one of his rants. I guess you were going for humor, and it went right over my head.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by carld

Of course, I posted a link to one of his rants. I guess you were going for humor, and it went right over my head.

That wasn't my post, but I think I got what 5th Wiggle is meaning. What he posted is pretty much the image in my head whenever I hear his name...that plus some vulgar language.

And here, we should remember the axiom that analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog:
Few people care, and the frog dies.

[carld]

Originally Posted by ApK

That wasn't my post, but I think I got what 5th Wiggle is meaning. What he posted is pretty much the image in my head whenever I hear his name...that plus some vulgar language.

And here, we should remember the axiom that analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog:
Few people care, and the frog dies.

You're right, got my posters mixed up, sorry.

I agree, comedic tastes are a really individual thing. I found the poster to be a put down of the man rather than humorous.

[speakingtohe]

In the long distant past (before 2010) I never worried about copyright. I went to a bookstore and bought the book or a library and borrowed the book. And I never bought a book based on the possible sharing or reselling value.

If I wanted it and could afford it I bought it. If I could not afford it I borrowed it from the library or did without. Was not that traumatic that I remember.

I just took it for granted that it was a one of copy and that if I lost it or lost my vision or gave it away or left it on the bus it was gone.

You got the book, you read the book, and if you sold or gave away or lent the book it was gone unless you could buy it back or the lendee returned it. Mostly it was gone.

Most of my paper books were fairly copy protected in that the time spent scanning/OCRing them etc. could not be justified IMO against the cost of buying another copy for your own use. (Not saying no-one does the OCR thing because they enjoy the process, or to preserve rare works.)

Life was simpler way back then.

No worries about reading it with another device or if your computer crashed or you had no computer. One just assumed you couldn't and bought it even if you didn't have a hope of backing it up. Just never occurred and the content was pretty much the same.

Helen

[Alex Sokoloff]

(I wish everyone would stop freaking that every book is going to have pop-up ads and product placement embedded in each page. Sheesh.)

Steven, I agree. Ads are going to have to be very discreet. It would be suicidal for advertisers not to understand that, and I don't think businesses tend to be suicidal.

[BeccaPrice]

re: product placement... I don't read the books,but apparently the Black Dagger Brotherhood books by JR Ward are full to the point of absurdity of brand names, rather like the humorous "quote" posted earlier. I don't think the author gets anything out of the place3mnts, though.

[elemenoP]

Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

I don't think the author gets anything out of the place3mnts, though.

I see what you did there. You are getting a kickback from 3M, aren't you?

Stieg Larsson is another who had a lot of brand names in his books. A lot of Apple mentions!

eP

[BeccaPrice]

Would I was getting a kickback! no, I just can't type tonight. I'm on a tiny netbook in the waiting room of the local ER (kickback from the tv show will be accepted) waiting with a friend who's son is in being treated.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by carld

Harlan Ellison's opinion of writing for free. Warning, do not watch if you're offended by strong opinions or language.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by carld

Harlan Ellison's opinion of writing for free. Warning, do not watch if you're offended by strong opinions or language.

What if I'm just offended by Harlan Ellison?

Well, no matter; as a professional writer of some years, with a dependence on the royalties of his past works, it's no secret where his opinions lie. (Therefore I don't miss not hearing them.) But Ellison is Old School, and the writing and publishing world is moving into a new century--you know, the ones he used to always write about.

[carld]

Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

What if I'm just offended by Harlan Ellison?

Well, no matter; as a professional writer of some years, with a dependence on the royalties of his past works, it's no secret where his opinions lie. (Therefore I don't miss not hearing them.) But Ellison is Old School, and the writing and publishing world is moving into a new century--you know, the ones he used to always write about.

I think his opinion is completely reasonable in this century or any other.