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Old 03-24-2012, 03:33 PM   #46
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"Like a galaxy note. Those are nice. Just too expensive. & I don't want the phone part. Lol. I almost got one till I knew that part.
Like a Galaxy Player. Those are not expensive. No phone part and no data plan."
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Like a Galaxy Player. Those are not expensive. No phone part and no data plan.
Yes, and no, tubemonkey.

I would love to have a Galaxy Note, with Stylus, but as monkeyluis somewhat indicates they are simply out of reach. The Galaxy Player 4.0 and 5.0 is cheaper than the Note, but is still fairly expensive and the screen resolution (800x480) and type aren't so great for the price.

That is why I got a secondhand Archos 43 (480 x 854). Well pleased with it so far.
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I would like a Win8 tablet with total compatibility with my Win 7 notebook computer and my XP desktop. I would also want the ability to hook a keyboard and mouse to it if just with the USB2/3 connector. I don't require an integrated system.
For my money, the best-designed TabletPC was practically the first, the Compaq TC1000/1100:
http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/hp-c...-20627295.html

It hit all the right beats from a desktop docking station to a detachable keyboard to a folio-style locking carry case. The Crusoe CPU in the TC1000 was underpowered but adequate in a NetBook kinda way, and the overall design and functionality hasn't been replicated anywhere since.

(The closest being Dell's attempt to revive the old CLIO HPC Pro design: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...aig06_ST_N.htm)

They literally don't build them as they used to.

I do have some hope that somebody (HP?) will stuff ultrabook tech and an iPad-ish monster battery into a reincarnated TC1000. (Wouldn't even mind if they keep the thickness; the weight was manageable.)

I really think the consumer tablet space is finally ready for broad adoption of TabletPC tech, even if the idea is ten years old.

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Old 03-25-2012, 08:42 AM   #48
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My guess is that we will see a slightly bigger iPhone and iPod touch this fall IF Apple can maintain the Retina display and battery life- Apple is not going to go backwards on either of these attributes. There will be no " tweener" tablet- tthere is no place for it in their pricing structure. Heck , by years end, you'll be able to get a refurbished iPad 2 for under 300. For what it can do that's a great value and should satisfy any tightwad. If the choice is between a KF for 200 and A refurb iPad 2 for 299 only somebody who is truly pound foolish is going to go for the KF or even the GalaxyPlayer or Galaxy Note or whatever.
I think Apple's next move going to be aimed at the big screen in our living room. Whether its a super Apple TV or an iTV is the issue.
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My guess is that we will see a slightly bigger iPhone and iPod touch this fall IF Apple can maintain the Retina display and battery life- Apple is not going to go backwards on either of these attributes. There will be no " tweener" tablet- tthere is no place for it in their pricing structure. Heck , by years end, you'll be able to get a refurbished iPad 2 for under 300. For what it can do that's a great value and should satisfy any tightwad. If the choice is between a KF for 200 and A refurb iPad 2 for 299 only somebody who is truly pound foolish is going to go for the KF or even the GalaxyPlayer or Galaxy Note or whatever.
I think Apple's next move going to be aimed at the big screen in our living room. Whether its a super Apple TV or an iTV is the issue.
Apple is still just not satisfied with their "new" TV which has been coming for all these years. Sure some half hearted tries at TV stuff, but nothing definitive, and that is how Apple sells stuff to the Apple Consumer.

It has to be distinctive, definitive, awe inspiring, jaw dropping and able to wrench large amounts of money from the Apple Consumer who is probably already kind of stretched.
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Old 03-25-2012, 11:40 AM   #50
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It has to be distinctive, definitive, awe inspiring, jaw dropping and able to wrench large amounts of money from the Apple Consumer who is probably already kind of stretched.
The Apple Consumer is the mainstream consumer.
Not some sort of strange niche beast.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:34 PM   #52
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Apple is still just not satisfied with their "new" TV which has been coming for all these years. Sure some half hearted tries at TV stuff, but nothing definitive, and that is how Apple sells stuff to the Apple Consumer.

It has to be distinctive, definitive, awe inspiring, jaw dropping and able to wrench large amounts of money from the Apple Consumer who is probably already kind of stretched.
You just can't help yourself, can you? Even when you say your are going to stop, you always feel the need to come back and insult people who buy Apple products.

Constantly.

And of course what makes it more ridiculous is that you don't even understand what products Apple offers and how much they cost relative to other products by other makers.

And of course it's just a fantasy that you can generalize about 200 million consumers in scores of countries anyway.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:31 PM   #53
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Apple is still just not satisfied with their "new" TV which has been coming for all these years. Sure some half hearted tries at TV stuff, but nothing definitive, and that is how Apple sells stuff to the Apple Consumer.

It has to be distinctive, definitive, awe inspiring, jaw dropping and able to wrench large amounts of money from the Apple Consumer who is probably already kind of stretched.
Look, do you want to have an intelligent conversation or do you want to just mindlessly bait Apple customers? Because I have better things to deal than try to reason with some Apple hater. I'll give you one more chance at meaningful discussion (though I'm not hopeful).

I think Apple wants to do something big in the TV space. It is however constrained by the media companies who are reluctant to give Apple the keys to the kingdom the way the music companies did with iTunes.
I think Apple will move forward with an upgrade of its Apple TV set-top box. The problem here is that there are other set-top boxes which do a better job of bringing movie and TV content to the TV for less money than Apple TV, unless you have all your movie and TV content in iTunes . Apple TV's ace in the hole is the App Store. It can bring 500,000 apps to the TV screen, including thousands of games. This might be a functionality that people want instead of buying a separate game console.
There is also the Airplay, iCloud, and the integration with Photo Stream. With Apple TV, you can throw up your photo collection on the big screen without the need for removable storage or a dongle. For business purposes, you can also throw up a presentation or a portfolio.
Apple now refers to Apple TV as a hobby. I think we'll see Apple move it into the "pro" category by next year.
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Very often, what appears to be loyalty is actually resigned acquiescence due to compatibility.
Or maybe they just want stuff to just work together, without "tweaking" , calls to tech support at X dollars per hour, or bribing/begging your nerdy nephew over to "troubleshoot".
I remember the hours I spent trying to get my Windows laptop to print wirelessly to my Canon printer. It would work on certain days of the week and not on others, for no reason that I could see. Eventually, I just broke down and got some extra long printer cables.
Maybe I'm getting old but I just don't want to dick around endlessly with tech stuff anymore. A major failing, I'm sure.
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Or maybe they just want stuff to just work together, without "tweaking" , calls to tech support at X dollars per hour, or bribing/begging your nerdy nephew over to "troubleshoot".
When I seemed to you to be writing about them, I was thinking of myself and the people with whom I work.

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Maybe I'm getting old but I just don't want to dick around endlessly with tech stuff anymore. A major failing, I'm sure.
And yet I'm equally sure you don't see it that way -- nor should you have to.

To do certain kinds of work, however, one has to be willing to do the tech stuff. My personal concern about Apple at the moment is not whether people will respect me as a person who uses their products. It's whether users like me have a future with iOS as opposed to OSX, and about how difficult it will be to transition to different gear if we don't, since recording music can involve expensive setups no matter what kinds of desktops we use.

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You just can't help yourself, can you? Even when you say your are going to stop, you always feel the need to come back and insult people who buy Apple products.

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Look, do you want to have an intelligent conversation or do you want to just mindlessly bait Apple customers? Because I have better things to deal than try to reason with some Apple hater. I'll give you one more chance at meaningful discussion (though I'm not hopeful).

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Look mates! I have been searching for a name to associate with those who buy Apple products. I see this group as a very cohesive and solid block of people that are indeed "Apple Consumers." There is nothing derogatory in defining that group. It is a well off group, capable of and keen on getting the latest up to date and best electronic equipment which for them is consistently the Apple Brand. I see little argument possible from you there.

I have been prompted by the moderator not to call names, so I am not using any previous names or any new ones that should offend.
I decided on "Apple Consumers" as the name for that cohesive and solid block of people and did a bit of bolding, italics, and underlining to make the point that I am switching over. The bolding, italics and underlining were just temporary to make that point. I guess it worked

So and finally with all due respect, I think the term "Apple Consumer" is ok.
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Or maybe they just want stuff to just work together, without "tweaking" , calls to tech support at X dollars per hour, or bribing/begging your nerdy nephew over to "troubleshoot".
Isn't there an implied insult here as well? Is Apple the only maker of an OS that allows stuff to just work together? Users of other OS's are just linux nerds or unhappy people who have been duped by MS into buying an inferior OS?

Is there some secret knowledge that only Apple users are privy to?
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This whole thing is stupid in the extreme and also extremely boring. It has become impossible to even mention a new piece of software or a new device from Apple, and to a lesser extent Amazon, without the thread degenerating into a slanging match.

Good grief. Some people like Apple and some prefer Samsung or some other company. Is it really necessary to attack and make snide comments about the character and intelligence of people that like something that you do not?

Its become pathetic. In order to find anything useful you have to wade though piles of irrelevant silly insults. What the hell has happened to this place.
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Aren't we past the point when the name calling has become ridiculous? Is Apple consumer supposed to be negative now?

I know this is , but I don't see any way out of it. Any combination of words that a person that dislikes Apple will use to refer to people who buy Apple products is going to have a bad connotation.

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It seems as if we are running from the negative connotations of words, with no net progress. The association is soon re-established, so we have to keep running.
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Apple Consumer seems to be a perfectly fine description... until put into context with Seaking's anti-Apple stance and the use of Bold, underlined italic for "Apple Consumer," then it seems to be just another snide way of being hostile/sarcastic... just trying to avoid being sanctioned for name calling...

Unfortunately any name/combination of words can be considered insulting/sarcastic etc from the context it is used in so I guess you may as well accept that anything from Seaking (relating to Apple and Apple use) will be insulting as it's seems obvious that the preferred deal would be the removal of anything (and anyone) Apple related from the planet...
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