DRM Good or Bad? - Page 10

speakingtohe · 03-23-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

CDs don't have any DRM applied to them, so the DRM-circumvention laws don't apply, only the fair use rules.

Ahh I didn't realize we were only talking of DRM circumvention and not tools that allow piracy in general when legality of selling such software in certain countries was discussed.

So the laws do not apply to non DRMed goods in any way even if the distributer prohibits copying? Seems unjust.

Helen

speakingtohe · 03-23-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Belle2Be

I hate that whole " I dont want it duplicated" argument. So if i have a digital copy and read it then send it to my mom and delete the one on my hard drive, would that make it better? Does it really matter if it sits on my hd wasting away even though I'm not likely to read it again?

Only if you send it to more than one person or your mom does. And of course why keep it on your hard drive as you have no further use for it your mom can send it back in case you do?

Helen

ScalyFreak · 03-23-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Only if you send it to more than one person or your mom does. And of course why keep it on your hard drive as you have no further use for it your mom can send it back in case you do?

As a backup for when my computer-illiterate mom inevitably loses her copy.

speakingtohe · 03-23-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

As a backup for when my computer-illiterate mom inevitably loses her copy.

Ahh my mom is too computer illiterate to even delete her copy. Oh well I can manage her kindle online at least. The big redeaming quality in having bought her a kindle.

Helen

anamardoll · 03-23-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

Have you ever thought of putting a tip jar on your web site, and including a line in your books pointing to your web site?

Yep! I did do that, in fact.

'Course, right now the tip jar is Paypal. I need to get a few more options for people who can't use Paypal.

Freeshadow · 03-23-2012, 04:11 PM

AFAIR it d' do you good to add that it is better if 2 people combine tips and one sends you 2 $ instead every of them sending 1

anamardoll · 03-23-2012, 04:12 PM

Absolutely -- Paypal takes a cut of every donation. But then, so does Amazon. *sigh*

ScalyFreak · 03-23-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Ahh my mom is too computer illiterate to even delete her copy. Oh well I can manage her kindle online at least. The big redeaming quality in having bought her a kindle.

Deleting a file is not the only way to lose it, sadly.

The next time I need to fix her computer I'm setting her up with a limited Guest account that limits everything. Less of a headache for me that way.

speakingtohe · 03-23-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

Deleting a file is not the only way to lose it, sadly.

The next time I need to fix her computer I'm setting her up with a limited Guest account that limits everything. Less of a headache for me that way.

Good luck with that there

Still gotta love em.

Helen

pdurrant · 03-23-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

So the laws do not apply to non DRMed goods in any way even if the distributer prohibits copying? Seems unjust.

Well, the DRM circumvention laws obviously don't apply to things with no DRM.

There are other laws that prohibit devices intended solely to infringe copyright, but that's a much higher bar to meet. There was a famous case against the video cassette recorder in the US (which the media companies lost, much to their later profit) and I remember a case in the UK against a cassette tape recorder/player with two decks.

Harmon · 03-23-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by speakingtohe

Pretty sure this was tongue in cheek, but it might actually work. A reasonable restaurant server or taxi driver can make well in excess of 50K a year in tips and it is a concept that people are familiar with.

Perhaps someone will become the next internet billionaire with a paypal like site called tipjar.com

Helen

It would probably be tough to do if the author were dealing with a Big 6 publisher, but for someone doing self-publishing, it seems to me that it would just be a matter of putting a sentence on the last page of the book: "If you got a copy of this book for free, from a friend or off the internet, and liked it enough to read it all the way to here on the last page, you can tip the author at <insert web page>" where you will also find other books available for purchase."

Belle2Be · 03-23-2012, 06:10 PM

Just request tips are marked as gift, they don't tax you on it that way

gmw · 03-23-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by StephenM

This is a bad example. A better example would be the person who takes a picture of an expensive picture hanging in an art store, because they cannot afford to buy the original. By taking a picture, the original is still available to the owner to be sold to someone who can afford it, and wants to pay the price to own it. Piracy is not theft. If I steal your bicycle, you cannot use it. If I make an exact matter replica of your bicycle, you can still ride yours, and I can ride the copy I made. You are out nothing. This is the basic difference between theft and copyright infringement.

Sorry for the mini-rant. This sort of false equivalency irritates me.

See VydorScope's post for an explanation of the delusion that it is not theft. I generally refer to your explanation, which I have seen before, as a "Robin Hood complex": claiming to be taking from the rich to give to the poor - always carrying the implication that the author is rich (don't I wish!) and that the perpetrator is poor. And the perpetrator gets that lovely fuzzy - self-delusional - feeling that they've not damaged anyone along the way, always careful not to think too hard about it all in case they realise their mistake.

Elfwreck · 03-23-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VydorScope

I disagree.

If you were trying to sell that artwork that I took a picture of, and then gave away copies of that picture (assume copies are as good as the original for this) to people who would have bought your artwork, I have stolen from you. I have taken something from you that you can not replace, the ability to sell and any profits from those sales.

If I write a bad review of your artwork, telling people how awful and useless it is, and then you can't sell copies of it--have I also "stolen" your ability to make profit?

There's a big difference between taking something *away* from you, and changing the marketplace so that your efforts are no longer suitable for sale. While changing the marketplace might be wrong, and might even be a crime, it's not "theft."

no.guru · 03-23-2012, 09:51 PM

(US District) Judge: 17,000 illegal downloads don't equal 17,000 lost sales

"Those who download movies and music for free would not necessarily purchase those movies and music at the full purchase price," [Judge James P.] Jones wrote. "[A]lthough it is true that someone who copies a digital version of a sound recording has little incentive to purchase the recording through legitimate means, it does not necessarily follow that the downloader would have made a legitimate purchase if the recording had not been available for free."

Piracy in general is not theft. That's simply the language of lazy dinosaur media companies who refuse to change their business model.

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03-23-2012, 04:11 PM	#141
Freeshadow temp. out of service Posts: 2,818 Karma: 24285242 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Duisburg (DE) Device: PB 623	AFAIR it d' do you good to add that it is better if 2 people combine tips and one sends you 2 $ instead every of them sending 1

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anamardoll Chasing Butterflies Posts: 3,132 Karma: 5074169 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: American Southwest Device: Uses batteries.	Absolutely -- Paypal takes a cut of every donation. But then, so does Amazon. sigh

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Belle2Be Peace, Love, and Books Posts: 355 Karma: 1242738 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3(3g), NookColor	Just request tips are marked as gift, they don't tax you on it that way

03-23-2012, 09:51 PM	#150
no.guru Crazy like a Posts: 229 Karma: 2368978 Join Date: May 2009 Device: Sony PRS-T1, Sony PRS-350	(US District) Judge: 17,000 illegal downloads don't equal 17,000 lost sales "Those who download movies and music for free would not necessarily purchase those movies and music at the full purchase price," [Judge James P.] Jones wrote. "[A]lthough it is true that someone who copies a digital version of a sound recording has little incentive to purchase the recording through legitimate means, it does not necessarily follow that the downloader would have made a legitimate purchase if the recording had not been available for free." Piracy in general is not theft. That's simply the language of lazy dinosaur media companies who refuse to change their business model.