FAA to allow electronics to remain on during take-off and landing?? - Page 2

carpetmojo · 03-19-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RDaneel54

It's a hassle, but one we have to live with to fly.
I just bring a throwaway paperback (or two) on a trip to read on the up and down parts of the flight. Then leave it somewhere or give it someone else on my trip....

Quite.....

10 minutes either end ?

We've managed without nicotine, nobody died of lack of it....

Please...

BeccaPrice · 03-19-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

They might as well relax it. It's not like they check every device to make sure it's really off.

I was on a flight where they announced the number of devices still on - and modified that number as people turned their devices off, so at least some flights have a way of identifying potentially interfering devices.

robko · 03-19-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BeccaPrice

I was on a flight where they announced the number of devices still on - and modified that number as people turned their devices off, so at least some flights have a way of identifying potentially interfering devices.

Or they very carefully convinced you that they had a way of identifying the number of devices

. But I'm with the for cripes sake live without your device for 15 minutes on either end of the flight crowd (with the full disclosure that I don't fly a lot). I can't imagine there would be any viable way of testing all devices (let alone combinations of devices which could suppress or enhance interference).

tubemonkey · 03-19-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Forget the sticker. The more important question is, would it be worth paying more for a device just so you could read during take-off and landing?

How can they be sure that your certified device isn't hiding the Cockpit Jammer app?

Barty · 03-20-2012, 11:33 AM

There are very good reasons to ban electronics during takeoff and landing. That is when during the flight something is most likely to go wrong. You need people to pay a little attention, not playing with their damn phones. And turbulence. I don't want to get hit by my neighbors' flying iThings.

Stop being so damn spoiled, people. If it were up to me, I'd make everybody fit their carry on in a shoe box, with exception for babies and medical needs. Boarding and deboarding would take 5 mins.

murraypaul · 03-20-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Barty

There are very good reasons to ban electronics during takeoff and landing. That is when during the flight something is most likely to go wrong. You need people to pay a little attention, not playing with their damn phones. And turbulence. I don't want to get hit by my neighbors' flying iThings.

Shrug.
If something goes badly wrong on takeoff or landing, chances are I'm dead.
And if I'm not, there really isn't anything I can go in the next 10 seconds to help the situation.

Wasgo · 03-20-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

There are very good reasons to ban electronics during takeoff and landing. That is when during the flight something is most likely to go wrong. You need people to pay a little attention, not playing with their damn phones. And turbulence. I don't want to get hit by my neighbors' flying iThings.

That's not why they ban them though. I could bring a giant textbook on board and read it during take-off and landing. It's just as distracting, just as dangerous and completely allowed. You may want to make up your own reason for the ban, but it isn't the real one.

Dazrin · 03-20-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

There are very good reasons to ban electronics during takeoff and landing. That is when during the flight something is most likely to go wrong. You need people to pay a little attention, not playing with their damn phones. And turbulence. I don't want to get hit by my neighbors' flying iThings.

Stop being so damn spoiled, people. If it were up to me, I'd make everybody fit their carry on in a shoe box, with exception for babies and medical needs. Boarding and deboarding would take 5 mins.

If distraction was the reason they wouldn't allow any books or magazines or ...

If dangerous flying things was the reason they wouldn't allow books or coffee cups (purchased after security of course) or ...

I get just as distracted reading a paper book as I do reading my Kindle and I would like being hit by a cup of nearly boiling coffee even less than a Kindle.

speakingtohe · 03-20-2012, 03:22 PM

I only fly 6-8 times a year so I am not impacted like those who fly twice daily. Even if I flew weekly, week in week out I doubt it would mess up my life any more than traffic lights.

Helen

Elfwreck · 03-20-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by carpetmojo

Quite.....
10 minutes either end ?
Please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by robko

But I'm with the for cripes sake live without your device for 15 minutes on either end of the flight crowd (with the full disclosure that I don't fly a lot).

15 minutes if things are going smoothly. 45 minutes or an hour if there are delays. Longer if an actual problem is found. The fact that "sorry; we discovered we need to re-adjust the wheel bearings" should mean "go ahead and read your Kindle for a while" is irrelevant; they *don't* allow electronic devices between seating & takeoff, no matter how much time they wind up sitting on the runway.

I'm not weighing in on any particular side of this, just saying that it's fairly often not just 10-15 minutes at stake.

anamardoll · 03-20-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfwreck

15 minutes if things are going smoothly. 45 minutes or an hour if there are delays. Longer if an actual problem is found. The fact that "sorry; we discovered we need to re-adjust the wheel bearings" should mean "go ahead and read your Kindle for a while" is irrelevant; they *don't* allow electronic devices between seating & takeoff, no matter how much time they wind up sitting on the runway.

I'm not weighing in on any particular side of this, just saying that it's fairly often not just 10-15 minutes at stake.

I was wondering if someone would bring this up, because it's a really good point.

I would be much more in favor of the rule if it were actually limited to actual takeoffs, not just to time spent sitting on the runway.

whitearrow · 03-20-2012, 05:22 PM

Yes, if they changed the rule to when the plane is actually cleared for takeoff, at least for handheld devices (laptops obviously take more time to secure) it would be much less irritating. But at a big airport like LAX or LHR or many others, the time from the door closing to 10,000 feet can easily be over an hour, most of which is spent simply sitting on the tarmac.

Bricorn · 03-20-2012, 05:29 PM

But it's not actually possible to turn a Kindle off, only put it to sleep, with or without a picture on the screen......................

RainingLemur · 03-20-2012, 06:02 PM

I'd just make a cover out of an old book and nobody would be any the wiser.

vxf · 03-20-2012, 06:10 PM

I have been flying a lot lately... in January ad February I have been on an average 10 flights a week. I carry a magazine or two with me for those take-off and landing times... but having to do that annoys the heck out of me.

Lately, I have kept reading on my SONY PRS950 during take off and landing unless someone specifically asks me to turn it off... many times they don't, it's about 50-50. Of course, I don't go around waving it in the air to make it noticeable.

I do keep wifi and 3g off during the entire flight. Same on my iPad. I think electronic devices without connections should be allowed on. But I do realize that's impossible to enforce.

But I also can't count the number of times I have heard cellphones ring during the takeoff stages. People ignore warnings - and sometimes they forget. If electronic devices are a threat, we are all screwed - you just can't rely on people to turn them off.

I have had now two instances of not being allowed to use an eink AT ALL during a flight. Both with Alitalia. They claim they have a list of 'approved devices'. Everything else has to be off. The iPad is on it, the kindle and sony readers are not.

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03-20-2012, 11:33 AM	#20
Barty doofus Posts: 2,555 Karma: 13089041 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage	There are very good reasons to ban electronics during takeoff and landing. That is when during the flight something is most likely to go wrong. You need people to pay a little attention, not playing with their damn phones. And turbulence. I don't want to get hit by my neighbors' flying iThings. Stop being so damn spoiled, people. If it were up to me, I'd make everybody fit their carry on in a shoe box, with exception for babies and medical needs. Boarding and deboarding would take 5 mins.

03-20-2012, 03:22 PM	#24
speakingtohe Wizard Posts: 4,812 Karma: 26912940 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: sony PRS-T1 and T3, Kobo Mini and Aura HD, Tablet	I only fly 6-8 times a year so I am not impacted like those who fly twice daily. Even if I flew weekly, week in week out I doubt it would mess up my life any more than traffic lights. Helen

03-20-2012, 05:22 PM	#27
whitearrow Guru Posts: 808 Karma: 2260766 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle Oasis 2	Yes, if they changed the rule to when the plane is actually cleared for takeoff, at least for handheld devices (laptops obviously take more time to secure) it would be much less irritating. But at a big airport like LAX or LHR or many others, the time from the door closing to 10,000 feet can easily be over an hour, most of which is spent simply sitting on the tarmac.

03-20-2012, 05:29 PM	#28
Bricorn Addict Posts: 289 Karma: 7788748 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fun Town, Thailand Device: Kindle DXG	But it's not actually possible to turn a Kindle off, only put it to sleep, with or without a picture on the screen......................

03-20-2012, 06:02 PM	#29
RainingLemur Spork Connoisseur Posts: 2,355 Karma: 16780603 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: Nook Color	I'd just make a cover out of an old book and nobody would be any the wiser.

03-20-2012, 06:10 PM	#30
vxf Guru Posts: 944 Karma: 1490348 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Norman, OK Device: Sony PRS 350, 900, 950; Kindles (ALL of them!); Kobo Aura One	I have been flying a lot lately... in January ad February I have been on an average 10 flights a week. I carry a magazine or two with me for those take-off and landing times... but having to do that annoys the heck out of me. Lately, I have kept reading on my SONY PRS950 during take off and landing unless someone specifically asks me to turn it off... many times they don't, it's about 50-50. Of course, I don't go around waving it in the air to make it noticeable. I do keep wifi and 3g off during the entire flight. Same on my iPad. I think electronic devices without connections should be allowed on. But I do realize that's impossible to enforce. But I also can't count the number of times I have heard cellphones ring during the takeoff stages. People ignore warnings - and sometimes they forget. If electronic devices are a threat, we are all screwed - you just can't rely on people to turn them off. I have had now two instances of not being allowed to use an eink AT ALL during a flight. Both with Alitalia. They claim they have a list of 'approved devices'. Everything else has to be off. The iPad is on it, the kindle and sony readers are not.