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Parents are only responsible to a reasonable extent. Responsibility isn't even the focal point of the matter. It's the punishment that's the issue. You can hold a parent responsible for their kids' act of piracy, but you cannot involve them in the punishment that is meted out to the kids. Cutting off internet access for the house punishes the entire family. If your kid pinches a couple of CDs from the shop and sells them on the street, a judge wouldn't hand out punishment to the entire family as a unit.
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In Germany and in California (back when I lived there - I have no idea how it is today) the claim was against the driver. Which means the police have to know who the driver was. Today all cameras take pictures from the front, so that you can clearly see the face. Anyway, it was just an example of a system similar to what could be implemented here. Last edited by HansTWN; 03-10-2012 at 07:13 AM. |
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Many parents just check the browser history and go through the files on the computer as best as they can. This is not a thorough method, but by disallowing parents access to their kids accounts, you take even this basic functionality away from them. |
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If you live in a close family unit, your being sanctioned always hurts your family. That's true if you go to jail. That's true for fines. That's true if they turn off your internet for not paying the bill. And it would, of course, also be true if they turned off your internet for disrespecting copyright. This is not some specific unfairness of the service cancellation mandate mistakenly alleged to have been enacted by the British parliament. Rather it is part of the fundamental and unavoidable unfairness of life. Do we want to keep that fundamental unfairness to a minimum? Yes. You do that by avoidance of excessive punishments, not by thinking we can dream up a sanction that only hurts one person. |
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I am sure there is a provision for punishing the guilty party only, if they can identify the culprit? If it is known who it was and they still punish the whole family, that would definitely be very wrong. I am with you on that.
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Yeah, I agree on the principle with you. But the very fact that they even include a provision to punish the entire family makes me believe that they're side-stepping the requirement of pin-pointing the guilty person, and instead only requiring themselves to prove that the crime occured over a particular connection (essentially, in a particular household). I cannot think of any other explanation for the insertion of this specific provision when instead a mere "The guilty person/s will be denied internet access" would have sufficed. They're making it easier for themselves to prosecute the guilty, even if it involves also punishing those who happen to share the same roof with him.
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