Presumed guilty until proven innocent. If you can afford it.

Chi Cygni · 03-06-2012, 02:52 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ent-curbs.html

This sounds quite threatening.

DianNC · 03-06-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Initially, this means they will be sent letters highlighting that they have been identified as pirates and requiring them to provide details of all the material involved.

That part made me laugh. Srsly.

Chi Cygni · 03-06-2012, 03:12 PM

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People who feel they have been unfairly identified as computer pirates will have to pay £20 to mount an appeal.

And that part made me furious. The whole thing opens a new dimension of framing innocent people and taking advantage of them. With serious consequences.

speakingtohe · 03-06-2012, 03:39 PM

Good luck with that there I think. Enough innocent people will pay the money.

By charging the government implies that the appeals will be dealt with.

I see a massive backlog and everyone will be judged innocent, except for one poor scapegoat, and hopefully get their money back or rioting in the streets.

What are these people thinking.

Helen

mr ploppy · 03-07-2012, 04:34 AM

Shame the Daily Wail didn't tell their readers all this before the law was rushed through, then it might have made a difference.

plib · 03-07-2012, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Shame the Daily Wail didn't tell their readers all this before the law was rushed through, then it might have made a difference.

They did. Of course they weren't a Hollywood mogul offering offering dinner in a Corfu villa to this serial fraudster and liar so they probably didn't expect to be able to change Mandelson's mind. Now if it had been the News of the World offering him a bribe, then they may have had more luck. Of course it's nice to see that Brit politicians can be just as corrupt as Yank ones can.

Sweetpea · 03-07-2012, 06:16 AM

As I responded to a Dutch news site:

That entertainment industry is shooting itself in the foot. If enough people would be cut off from the internet, they will notice the drop in income.

No more streaming audio from sites like Spotify, or even Itunes.
No more video-on-demand
No more sales of ebooks
No more sale of games, due to the DRM that requires internet, or the simple fact that the game needs internet.

Kali Yuga · 03-07-2012, 11:33 AM

Y'know, paying £20 in court costs hardly sounds like a tremendous burden.

To me, the bigger issue is that it sounds like the bill has some issues with due process; i.e. the accused ought to be given a chance to defend their actions before a punishment is applied.

Then again, I don't know how broadly those concepts apply in British law. Considering that it's apparently undergone a court challenge, I'm guessing it's legal, though probably still not a great idea.

anamardoll · 03-07-2012, 11:38 AM

Heh. And people thought I was paranoid about watermarked books escaping and the buyer being held responsible.

This is really awful.

Sydney's Mom · 03-07-2012, 02:35 PM

And if you lost your internet service, could your kids be taken away? My daughter would yell CHILD ABUSE.

ApK · 03-07-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

My daughter

Wait! Stop! Let me practice my mind reading here: Your daughter's name is...<concentrating>...Sydney?

ApK

Sydney's Mom · 03-07-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApK

Wait! Stop! Let me practice my mind reading here: Your daughter's name is...<concentrating>...Sydney?

ApK

Ding ding ding!!! You win!!! Want to take her for a month or so (she is 14)?!

ApK · 03-07-2012, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

Ding ding ding!!! You win!!! Want to take her for a month or so (she is 14)?!

Sure! But I'm pretty sure pimping your daughter out to guys on the Internet violates some MR policy.

Chi Cygni · 03-07-2012, 03:23 PM

I can only hope EU legislation will not allow this. But it works veeeery slowly...

BWinmill · 03-07-2012, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydney's Mom

Ding ding ding!!! You win!!! Want to take her for a month or so (she is 14)?!

I'll pass. But the mention of teens brings up a relevant point: what the heck are families supposed to do when their teen goes on a piracy binge. Let's face it, piracy isn't exactly an easy-to-catch crime and even the most technically inept teen is going to have a network of friends who will aide and abet these activities. Something tells me that these companies would benefit far more from driving piracy so far underground that it ceases to be a socially acceptable activity.

03-06-2012, 02:52 PM	#1
Chi Cygni 秋子 permanently lurking Posts: 844 Karma: 6590735 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Europe Device: Oasis 3, Pocketbook Era	Presumed guilty until proven innocent. If you can afford it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ent-curbs.html This sounds quite threatening.

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speakingtohe Wizard Posts: 4,812 Karma: 26912940 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: sony PRS-T1 and T3, Kobo Mini and Aura HD, Tablet	Good luck with that there I think. Enough innocent people will pay the money. By charging the government implies that the appeals will be dealt with. I see a massive backlog and everyone will be judged innocent, except for one poor scapegoat, and hopefully get their money back or rioting in the streets. What are these people thinking. Helen

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mr ploppy Feral Underclass Posts: 3,622 Karma: 26821535 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire, tha noz Device: 2nd hand paperback	Shame the Daily Wail didn't tell their readers all this before the law was rushed through, then it might have made a difference.

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Kali Yuga Professional Contrarian Posts: 2,045 Karma: 3289631 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 4 No Touchie	Y'know, paying £20 in court costs hardly sounds like a tremendous burden. To me, the bigger issue is that it sounds like the bill has some issues with due process; i.e. the accused ought to be given a chance to defend their actions before a punishment is applied. Then again, I don't know how broadly those concepts apply in British law. Considering that it's apparently undergone a court challenge, I'm guessing it's legal, though probably still not a great idea.

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