Book Publishers Force Down Piracy Sites

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by xg4bx

these pirate books are coming from someone who bought them or received them for review, its not like data thieves are hacking into servers and liberating the books. all it takes is one person to upload a copy and its out there forever. all the drm in the world won't cure, or stop, foolishness.

???

Assuming there aren't data thieves is just as bad as assuming that data is capable of being thefted.

But seriously, eventually the cloud will be hacked and all information will be made available to all, or copyright will be abandoned. The results will be the same in either case.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

But seriously, eventually the cloud will be hacked and all information will be made available to all, or copyright will be abandoned. The results will be the same in either case.

Copyright has a reason for being and rights of authors should be protected. However corporations have made a mockery of copyright by continuously abusing the process over the last fifty years. Disney and death + 70 years.

SOPA is simply an extension of the same abusing process.

[Sil_liS]

DRM reminds me of the idiot proof barrier in The Simpsons Movie.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by xg4bx

i just never understood why people who pay their hard earned money for books would immediately turn around and upload it for strangers to snag for free.

First uploader status has a lot of prestige in pirate circles. I can't really see why paying for something would make them want to keep it to themselves, any more than if they had spent days converting a paperback nobody else had done yet.

[plib]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Copyright has a reason for being and rights of authors should be protected. However corporations have made a mockery of copyright by continuously abusing the process over the last fifty years. Disney and death + 70 years.

SOPA is simply an extension of the same abusing process.

Ultimately, in a democracy, all laws are part of a civic contract between the legislators and the general population. If the laws move too far from the general consensus that the majority of the population will accept then they'll either be changed, as part of the democratic process, or they'll be ignored until they are changed. The US has a prime example in it's recent history with Prohibition.

To my mind the mockery of copyright that Disney and others have bought over the last fifty years has pretty much moved it into the realm of Prohibition in the mind of the general public. Which means that instead of a reasonable copyright arrangement that might obtain general support we have a ludicrous, and patently corrupt, process which has lost the support of the general population, which in turn means that even reasonable copyright adherence on the terms that existed before Disney et. al. started throwing their money around has also gone out with the bathwater.

Interestingly Obama was at a $35,000 a plate dinner in Hollywood tonight. A protestor outside interviewed on TV said something on the lines of "Get out of the fancy dinner you're whoring yourself at and come back to the roots of the people who used to support you". That's not an Obama jab, the Republicans are even worse. But it is a jab at the whole electoral/political/financial sewer that most western democratic processes seem to have evolved into.

[spindlegirl]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

First uploader status has a lot of prestige in pirate circles. I can't really see why paying for something would make them want to keep it to themselves, any more than if they had spent days converting a paperback nobody else had done yet.

I went to a meetup once and someone explained that also, it's similar to a potluck. Make a casserole or a pie to share with the crowd and you get to also sample everyone else's cooking. And yeah, there is a lot of high-fiving for being the first to release.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Copyright has a reason for being and rights of authors should be protected.

No I don't think that it does. Copyright was "created" to protect the interests of the creator, at least in theory. But a robust technological system could very well serve the same purpose while allowing everyone access to everything, therefore copyright no longer has a reason for being.

[Bittybye]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Over here it's illegal to remove "effective" copy protection. And DRM is considered to be effective, even though it can be removed so easily. That even a computer dunce could strip it does not make it "ineffective" in the eyes of law.

Tells you a lot about the people who made the law...

But unless you go around waving a flag outside your door saying "I STRIP DRM!" how will they know you've stripped it? I'm not talking about sharing, I'd never do that. But I've heard enough horror stories about people having their accounts closed for little to no reason and losing all their books not to have a backup.

And as far as I know stripping the DRM is legal here in Canada. Something about fare use. I could be wrong though.

[Ekaros]

Personal experience atleast for games. Services like Steam where it just much easier to pay than try to find some way other are the future. The way which product just works, most of the time...

I belive there should be difference between private use and for use profit, and selling someone elses product.

Intresting vector of question is in the future what happens when 3D printing comes commonplace? You could download a car and it would be illegal, but the original manufacturer wouldn't lose a product, just sale for desing costs...

[plib]

Originally Posted by Bittybye

And as far as I know stripping the DRM is legal here in Canada. Something about fare use. I could be wrong though.

It is at the moment, but it won't be if Bill C-11 passes. If you don't want that to happen then phone your MP, repeatedly, and sign the petition here.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Bittybye

But unless you go around waving a flag outside your door saying "I STRIP DRM!" how will they know you've stripped it? I'm not talking about sharing, I'd never do that. But I've heard enough horror stories about people having their accounts closed for little to no reason and losing all their books not to have a backup.

And as far as I know stripping the DRM is legal here in Canada. Something about fare use. I could be wrong though.

DRM status of ebooks you open is one of the things the Kindle logs. DRM removal is also a violation of Amazon's terms of use, even if it is legal in your country, so they would be within their rights to block you if they wanted to. I can't see why they would want to, but it's not beyond the realms of fantasy that a publisher might insist on it one day.

[Bittybye]

Originally Posted by plib

It is at the moment, but it won't be if Bill C-11 passes. If you don't want that to happen then phone your MP, repeatedly, and sign the petition here.

Trust me I've already signed every petition and written letters/e-mails to my MP. I've done everything but picket the bill.

[Bittybye]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

DRM status of ebooks you open is one of the things the Kindle logs. DRM removal is also a violation of Amazon's terms of use, even if it is legal in your country, so they would be within their rights to block you if they wanted to. I can't see why they would want to, but it's not beyond the realms of fantasy that a publisher might insist on it one day.

You know I had no idea about that. But I don't actually have the unDRM'd book on my Kindle, I just use it as a back up on my external hard drive.

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

DRM status of ebooks you open is one of the things the Kindle logs. DRM removal is also a violation of Amazon's terms of use, even if it is legal in your country, so they would be within their rights to block you if they wanted to. I can't see why they would want to, but it's not beyond the realms of fantasy that a publisher might insist on it one day.

Are you SERIOUS?? *face palm*

ETA: Do you know if the new Sony T1 does the same?

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

Are you SERIOUS?? *face palm*

ETA: Do you know if the new Sony T1 does the same?

Crikey, that would be an interesting (not) thing to occur.

DRM'ed ebooks arrive in Calibre and pass through to the ereaders in the house bereft of DRM.

Much like a carwash really.