Book Publishers Force Down Piracy Sites

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by MikeB1972

Sorry, are you honestly saying that all research shows, that there are no people at all that only consume pirated media and never buy any?
If so I could name a few people I know that will break that research.

Also I know people who would buy more if they were unable to pirate anything.

You know people that have never bought a book, bought a song, bought a game, bought a film on DVD or ever went to the cinema, theater, concert? They never did any of these things but they pirate?

Research shows that the people who pirate buy more than the average person.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

This is mainly a response to arguments that pirates won't pay if there are free versions available. It turns out a lot (but not all) piracy is a result of people not being able to get what they want in the format they want from legitimate sources.

2gig for an entire TV series in 720p? Either each episode was about 5 minutes long or it'll be renamed malware.

[sbroome]

The Oatmeal art sucks and I'm sure you could have just provided a link.

And music is readily available legally for fast download and still gets pirated. After all the wannabe lawyers are done hiding behind semantics, people just like free shit.

[sbroome]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

2gig for an entire TV series in 720p? Either each episode was about 5 minutes long or it'll be renamed malware.

It also ignores that the entire series is available through HBO go or whatever it's called specifically because HBO needs to recoup their costs for producing their own shows. My gf watches it that way on her laptop. But of course it's not available everywhere constantly, which means it's a civil rights violation, so wah.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by sbroome

It also ignores that the entire series is available through HBO go or whatever it's called specifically because HBO needs to recoup their costs for producing their own shows. My gf watches it that way on her laptop. But of course it's not available everywhere constantly, which means it's a civil rights violation, so wah.

The point he was trying to make was that it isn't available for sale, even to people who want to buy it. There's probably some legal reason for that, but consumers don't really care about things like that. If it's available somewhere else they will get it from there instead.

There's a phrase that's popular in business consultant circles, "How easy are you to buy from?" The more barriers you erect between you and paying customers, the less likely you are to sell.

[sbroome]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

The point he was trying to make was that it isn't available for sale, even to people who want to buy it. There's probably some legal reason for that, but consumers don't really care about things like that. If it's available somewhere else they will get it from there instead.

There's a phrase that's popular in business consultant circles, "How easy are you to buy from?" The more barriers you erect between you and paying customers, the less likely you are to sell.

If you ran a cable network that produced original programming, the smartest thing you could do would be to entice people to subscribe to the entire network in order to watch the shows they love. HBO did it with Sopranos, they're doing it with Game of Thrones, and it's working. I realize that people think they automatically know what's best practice for companies, but the people who work for these companies are not as stupid as message boards would make you believe. The problem with the strip remainds the concept that personal accountability never comes into it. It's a matter of "I want" and not much else.

[cjr72]

Originally Posted by sbroome

If you ran a cable network that produced original programming, the smartest thing you could do would be to entice people to subscribe to the entire network in order to watch the shows they love. HBO did it with Sopranos, they're doing it with Game of Thrones, and it's working.

It's working... So what would HBO's issue with piracy be exactly?

[sbroome]

Originally Posted by cjr72

It's working... So what would HBO's issue with piracy be exactly?

They spend money to create content, which they then recoup when people pay for it. If you don't want to watch their content that's fine, if you do want to watch their content they want you to pay to subscribe. Are they somehow violating your rights with this reasonable request?

[cjr72]

Originally Posted by sbroome

They spend money to create content, which they then recoup when people pay for it. If you don't want to watch their content that's fine, if you do want to watch their content they want you to pay to subscribe. Are they somehow violating your rights with this reasonable request?

Right, that's their business model which you say works. If true it seems to me that HBO can't argue that piracy harming them in any fundamental way.

[sbroome]

Originally Posted by cjr72

Right, that's their business model which you say works. If true it seems to me that HBO can't argue that piracy harming them in any fundamental way.

I just addressed that people who don't spend money shouldn't be allowed to consume the content. I can't make it more clear than that.

[MikeB1972]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

You know people that have never bought a book, bought a song, bought a game, bought a film on DVD or ever went to the cinema, theater, concert? They never did any of these things but they pirate?

Book, Song, DVD - Yes, or at least, not in the last 5 years or so.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Research shows that the people who pirate buy more than the average person.

I'm still fascinated to find out the details of this research as the only ones I know about were done about music and were small sample surveys (a few thousand people, normally students)
I also wonder about how the surveys were done :-
Do you pirate music? - Yes
Do you buy music? - Err, yeah, loads

My main problem with the surveys is the reasons people normally give here on MR for downloading things without paying that seem to be :-
-The publisher prices it too high and I won't pay that (Definitely not getting more money from these people)
-I can't get it in my region (I'm willing to call this one a no score draw, although it would probably be released sooner or later)
-It's got DRM on it, Wahhh (Tough, remove the DRM after buying it)

And even some of these surveys show that some people stopped buying as much music after they started using torrents.
eg
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...o-music-sales/
From the article
"—But be wary: though 47 percent of filesharers buy the same amount as they used to, 19 percent either buy a little or a lot less as a result."
This article states that 33% or respondends used torrent sites
Of these

This means that
26% spend a little or lot more on music
47% spendthe same
19% spend a little or lot less
7-8% Spend nothing on music (Taken from the rest adding up to 92% and the quote "—93 percent of filesharers say they have paid for music in the past year."

This means that even this survey quoted as showing it does no harm to sales say that a quarter of people using torrents spend less to nothing on music than they used to.

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

Research indicates that people that pirate also tend to buy media; so you'll get people that pirate some things, but that will buy other things that they could have pirated. This is mainly a response to arguments that pirates won't pay if there are free versions available. It turns out a lot (but not all) piracy is a result of people not being able to get what they want in the format they want from legitimate sources.

I don't even pirate stuff and I know how this feels!!


+1

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

I don't even pirate stuff and I know how this feels!!


+1

Uhm... I know that, too, but... could you maybe remove the graphics from the quote. Please?

[cjr72]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Uhm... I know that, too, but... could you maybe remove the graphics from the quote. Please?

Yeah, I clicked on the 'MOAR TESTICLES' ad again.

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Jaden

Uhm... I know that, too, but... could you maybe remove the graphics from the quote. Please?

*sniff* Why people always wanna stop my fun. *sniff*