Onyx Boox M92 sample has arrived. First imression - I love it!

[Booxtor]

Originally Posted by catharsis

Booxtor, how long do you think the delivery would take? I chose Hermes and last info is from Friday: "Parcel processed at HUB (30,0,9)".

Depends on destination country. Abroad of Germany in most EU Countries the handling partner of Hermes is DPD. Sometimes they don't provide exact tracking information on time. If the delivery takes longer just write a contact message in our shop and we will try to get more information from Hermes.

Regards

[catharsis]

Ok. How much does "too long" mean? I'm in Finland and 8 working days have passed (excluding Friday when you posted it). I think I should of chose DHL.

Later edit: Nevermind, I just got it. It is now charging, I will start it later Thanks, Booxtor!

[NightGeometry]

I'm really sorry if this has been asked / answered before (I know asking without checking back is just plain rude). How well does the M92 handle largish PDF's?
I'm thinking somewhere between A4 and A5, not pure text - a textbook, for example, some text, some pictures, some graphs et cetera.

[Booxtor]

Originally Posted by NightGeometry

I'm really sorry if this has been asked / answered before (I know asking without checking back is just plain rude). How well does the M92 handle largish PDF's?
I'm thinking somewhere between A4 and A5, not pure text - a textbook, for example, some text, some pictures, some graphs et cetera.

Just take a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovn-TdpvDAs

[Beryll Snyder]

Originally Posted by NightGeometry

I'm really sorry if this has been asked / answered before (I know asking without checking back is just plain rude). How well does the M92 handle largish PDF's?
I'm thinking somewhere between A4 and A5, not pure text - a textbook, for example, some text, some pictures, some graphs et cetera.

I suggest to read the thread: Ereader for a student

Gives a nice impression of what to expect.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=167055

[NightGeometry]

Thanks you both - looks like it's still tablet time for now. Pity, I just prefer reading off eink. Maybe one day...

[PF4Mobile]

what exactly dissapointed you? We seem to all agree that readability is OK with PDFs. Out main complains regard the exporting for annotations

[kamizase]

The M series with margin cropping are actualy the best ereaders to read largish PDFs at the moment and it's as usuable as it can get, unless someone has bad eyesight and needs additional zooming. There's the issue with annotations and fluidity, ie. quick jumping between saved pages, liek PB offers, but for straight reading it's as good as it will get, at least in the nearest future.

[Mono]

Originally Posted by kamizase

There's the issue with annotations and fluidity, ie. quick jumping between saved pages, like PB offers, ...

Part of it can be solved by bookmarks and also M92 remembers several last pages and one can toggle betweeen them. (In PB you can directly choose to which of last pages to jump, in M92 you have to go to history one by one.)

The only real advantage od PB is, you can open more documents and switch betweeen them.

[apos]

Originally Posted by Mono

The only real advantage od PB is, you can open more documents and switch betweeen them.

The taskmanager: one of the major features for me, dealing with a lot of documents

And: I am testing currently an alpha version of the firmware for the PB 912: there is a new cropping feature for PDFs that is working marvelessly and - I think - it is as good if not more precisely to use than the M92 one (both usable via keys and stylus)

[Booxtor]

Originally Posted by apos

The taskmanager: one of the major features for me, dealing with a lot of documents

And: I am testing currently an alpha version of the firmware for the PB 912: there is a new cropping feature for PDFs that is working marvelessly and - I think - it is as good if not more precisely to use than the M92 one (both usable via keys and stylus)

PB9XX are without a doubt good devices. But even if PB solves the cropping problem or insufficient navigation in PDFs, the main problem remains. Some documents (especially scientific texts made with TeX or LaTeX) would be still quite illegible because of pale displaying and you can not easily adjust it like on the E-Ink "Pearl" display of M92
Thus PB9X would not fit for some kind of user (students, scientist ... and so on)
IMHO

[Mono]

Originally Posted by apos

The taskmanager: one of the major features for me, dealing with a lot of documents

I agree, that would be cool and handy in M92. It is more than a year younger than PB9xx, so maybe in future it will come.

I remember, that PB903 was almost unusable (for my needs) a year ago. I was about to buy it and was very frustrated that there is not possible to make freehand scribles in pdf texts, which is the main feature I needed. It took about one year to implement it...

PB and Onyx are the only real competitors in 10" eink readers field (I do not consider Kindle DX by far equal to PB or Onyx). Both are good, each of them better in some respect and worse in another. So the choice between them depends mostly on user preferences and needs (and faith that missing features will come one day).

Let us hope, they will survive and we will compete to make their products as good as possible.

[Beryll Snyder]

Originally Posted by Mono

I agree, that would be cool and handy in M92. It is more than a year younger than PB9xx, so maybe in future it will come.

I remember, that PB903 was almost unusable (for my needs) a year ago. I was about to buy it and was very frustrated that there is not possible to make freehand scribles in pdf texts, which is the main feature I needed. It took about one year to implement it...

PB and Onyx are the only real competitors in 10" eink readers field (I do not consider Kindle DX by far equal to PB or Onyx). Both are good, each of them better in some respect and worse in another. So the choice between them depends mostly on user preferences and needs (and faith that missing features will come one day).

Let us hope, they will survive and we will compete to make their products as good as possible.

The hope dies last.
Now the Ectaco Jetbook Color is on the market - also with some/many flaws.
So far the customer has to be disappointed unless he/she has almost no expectations.
It seems to be more rational not to hope that these companies survive, but that a major player enters the field who is capable not just to implement improvements in small steps -
but to overhaul the software completely.

[Beryll Snyder]

Originally Posted by Booxtor

PB9XX are without a doubt good devices. But even if PB solves the cropping problem or insufficient navigation in PDFs, the main problem remains. Some documents (especially scientific texts made with TeX or LaTeX) would be still quite illegible because of pale displaying and you can not easily adjust it like on the E-Ink "Pearl" display of M92
Thus PB9X would not fit for some kind of user (students, scientist ... and so on)
IMHO

Pardon my saying it so bluntly - but just put a larger screen on a reader just doesn't cut it.
The software simply is only very basic on both devices and for a scientific workflow almost unusable.
I use a M92 parallel with a tablet.
Und noticing what would be possible on the software side simply hurts.
There is no way that PB and Onyx with their limited resources can develop something decent within time.
Wrong OS - plain and simple.
Interesting if Ectaco with Window CE(!!!) can pull it off ...

[Backi]

Originally Posted by Beryll Snyder

but that a major player enters the field who is capable not just to implement improvements in small steps -
but to overhaul the software completely.

That's