If you had a vote for copyright?

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

An end of an anonymous internet is fine if you think the internet is only useful for sharing anonymous cat pictures or copyrighted material illicitly. Unfortunately, it's also used by people expressing unpopular opinions and political dissident groups, so you know, people that have a real reason to fear government reprisal. But hey, it's not like there were any recent examples of dissident groups, say in the Middle East, using the anonymity of Twitter to organize protest movements

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

[sbroome]

Passing your property down to your children has been found throughout history, I have no problem with copyrights that function the same way.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

We know where you live.

[CyGuy]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

I certainly hope that was an attempt at humor of some kind.

[Ninjalawyer]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

Uh...everyone already knows where the worst reprisals are coming from, the government. Look, I grew up in the 80s, so I'm receptive to a "knowlege is power"/"knowing is half the battle" line of reasoning, but I'm going to maybe suggest that there's just the teensiest possibility that this isn't the best thought out plan in the world.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

Uh...everyone already knows where the worst reprisals are coming from, the government. Look, I grew up in the 80s, so I'm receptive to a "knowlege is power"/"knowing is half the battle" line of reasoning, but I'm going to maybe suggest that there's just the teensiest possibility that this isn't the best thought out plan in the world.

No plan is ever completely thought out, that is the nature of plans. I did think a bit more and can only think of one real issue here. Private personal communication, or the Love-Letter Problem. I don' t think there's a way around this. Unless we become some borg type society...

Also, if you'd like to come over and discuss copyright that would be fine, I will make a pizza.

[sbroome]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

Terrible idea.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Non-Anonymity for everyone, including those who might wish to take reprisals against dissident groups. Non-Anonymity of all information, 100% complete transparency of everything. A truly free market, anarcho-capitalism.

It seems to me that it's the way to go.

And so it might to Hawaii: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57...sites-visited/

[speakingtohe]

@Giggleton
You may think all information should be free. And I am sure you are willing to share all of your personal information in exchange as this would be kind of a fair return.

Me I have things to hide. The least I can think of at the moment is being too sick to do laundry in the laundry downstairs or scrub it in the sink, so I put it in the dishwasher.

Imagine if this was widely known by my neighbours. They would ostracize me or alternatively come to the door with a load of laundry and ask to use my dishwasher.

Anonymity is good. Non-anonymity bad.

Helen

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Just what this discussion needed: An injection of common sense.

[Giggleton]

I suppose we can ask ourselves why our neighbors would like to know the intricacies of our laundering systems? Perhaps the dishwasher is a more efficient method for laundering clothes? Should this knowledge be kept secret?

To attribute or not attribute, that is the question. Should every bit of text have inherent the possibility to be traced back to its creator, or should we allow for those who had no meaningful hand in the texts creation to take ownership of texts and distribute them as they see fit?

Copyright has extended itself into the biological realm, should we allow it to extend further?

"You and I" are for these intents and purposes pieces of text, strings of information which when read express who we are. Should another text have the option to copy and paste a piece of me into their own book? Or should we instead copyright ourselves? Locking ourselves into a static text? Forcing stability? Stability is an illusion. Forcing it's appearance only increases the magnitude of destruction when the structure eventually crashes.

Common Sense??

[speakingtohe]

Well Dishwashing is not overall IMO a more efficient method of washing clothes, but it is actually in some ways more effective. Strange though it may seem the clothes in question appeared cleaner, colors brighter.

And my neighbours would not ordinarily think about my laundry. But people being people, if it was brought to their attention, they might find themselves ranging up and taking sides. Is this sanitary, they may ask. Will my enjoyment of living here be seriously undermined if I am in a building where people wash clothes in a dishwasher? How come she has a dishwasher and I don't?

Mildly surprised by your reply however, as I thought you were totally opposed to the idea of common sense Live and learn.

Helen

[QuantumIguana]

I support copyrights for limited periods of time, but if I had to choose between no copyright and eternal copyright, I would choose no copyright, and do so with no regrets. Copyright isn't a natural right. It is a government granted exclusive right to copy for a limited period of time. It is a deal: in exchange for these works eventually entering the public domain, the author gets exclusive rights to the work. It's the same thing with patents. It patents were eternal, advancement would come to a stop. People don't have to patent their inventions, they can protect them themselves by treating them as trade secrets. The risk is that they won't remain secret.

Our culture is based on the public domain. As it is, nothing will enter the public domain until 2019, and that is assuming copyright isn't extended even further. Copyright does seem to get extended to please Disney, but the irony is that many of the Disney movies were based on public domain works. Eternal copyright would be as stagnating as eternal patent would.

[Shimarenda]

I voted to do away with it because there are too many works that have remained locked away for far too long.

Realistically, for personal copyrights, I would support a copyright for the life of the creator plus the life of a surviving spouse (with reasonable limitations on the latter). For corporate copyrights, 26 years renewable once.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by speakingtohe

And my neighbours would not ordinarily think about my laundry. But people being people, if it was brought to their attention, they might find themselves ranging up and taking sides. Is this sanitary, they may ask. Will my enjoyment of living here be seriously undermined if I am in a building where people wash clothes in a dishwasher? How come she has a dishwasher and I don't?

Mildly surprised by your reply however, as I thought you were totally opposed to the idea of common sense Live and learn.

Helen

Those are all reasonable questions to ask of a technology IMO.

I'm not sure where the common sense idea came from, it seems that most people think their senses are sound enough to be called common, I certainly do. Unfettered access to all knowledge by everyone? It just makes sense.