|  06-03-2008, 09:23 PM | #1 | 
| Wearer of Pants            Posts: 1,050 Karma: 7634 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norman, OK Device: Amazon Kindle DX / iPhone | 
				
				Most Irritating Thing About eBooks You Download
			 
			
			So what bugs you when you get a brand new ebook?  Free, purchased, etc? What bugs me the most? When I get a work of non-fiction or a book of short stories and they do not include a table of contents! Drives me absolutely bonkers!!! What about you? | 
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|  06-03-2008, 10:00 PM | #2 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 10,155 Karma: 4632658 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none | 
			
			I think it's that in the public domain books there can sometimes be so many errors from straight OCR'ing-without-checking (which is why I usually download from MobileRead - they've most often been created by people whose love extends to thorough scanning for errors. Thanks!). I had this thought...imagine doing a simple OCR and upload of Finnegans Wake. (Aside from verifying against another text) How would know they were errors of OCR?  Cheers, Marc | 
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|  06-04-2008, 04:44 AM | #3 | 
| The Introvert            Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500 | 
			
			Eventhough I pay my money for ebooks I still have to spend 1-2 hours to edit them for my taste. Hmm...on the other hand it is a good thing that I have this opportunity to edit ebook to my liking. Otherwise I would use calibre?   | 
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|  06-04-2008, 08:53 AM | #4 | 
| Kindlephilia            Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count | 
			
			1. DRM, I try to stay away but many of the books I want to read have it 2. OCR errors 3. No hyperlinked TOC 4. Poor editing | 
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|  06-04-2008, 09:24 AM | #5 | 
| Literacy = Understanding            Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet | 
			
			Unfortunately, your last point, while valid, will remain with us as long as books are produced by companies that need to produce quarterly returns for shareholders and there are p-books. Publishers are unable to control distribution costs of p-books. They are also unable to control much of the production cost, especially when they have to accept returns of unsold books. Consequently, those costs that they can control -- editorial being a major one -- they squeeze for savings. Thus we end up with books edited -- assuming they are edited at all -- by low-skilled editors. I would add that this problem is compounded by the quality of some of the publishers' inhouse editorial staff. They are not well-versed in the editing function and have low skills themselves and thus are unable to discern a good editing job from a poor editing job. In fairness, the inhouse staff also rarely has time or opportunity to improve its skill level because of the number of books they are expected to process. At least in the U.S., and I suspect this is true elsewhere, the command of English language skills is in great decline among students at all levels of education. And as those who teach English have lesser skills, so their students have even lesser skills, and the cycle continues. Even university presses are subject to these failings, witness the recent recall of a print run by Princeton University Press of a newly published book because of all the editorial errors. PUP ultimately claimed that it used an inexperienced editor, but that was probably the only level of editor it could get because of the low skillset among newer editors and the low pay rate presses offer. | 
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|  06-04-2008, 09:50 AM | #6 | 
| Guru            Posts: 834 Karma: 102419 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Device: iPhone | 
			
			I hate it when meta-data is missing. Like, you download a file. First of all, it's probably just the title of the book with ".prc" or ".pdb" or whatever at the end. So you rename that to your liking, like most people, Last Name, First Name - Title Then you beam it to your device and see what? Just the title, or an abbreviated title, or even some funny code that tells you nothing. argh! | 
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|  06-04-2008, 09:51 AM | #7 | 
| zeldinha zippy zeldissima            Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you? | 
			
			i hate that too. also ocr errors. also bad editing. almost everything everyone has said so far, in fact.
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|  06-04-2008, 10:15 AM | #8 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,624 Karma: 1008294 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa, USA Device: Nook Simple Touch | 
			
			I don't mind minor formatting errors but when books have all the words  hyphenated or there are 6 lines of space in between each sentence.    | 
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|  06-04-2008, 10:23 AM | #9 | 
| Hi There!            Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad | 
				
				Eternal Sunshine of the Dirty Mind
			 
			
			Hate to tell you this, but the only thing I hate about e-books is the fact that I have to occasionally stop reading to work and eat.  Format doesn't matter - I'm as happy reading pdf's on my computer as I am reading imp's on my EB-1150. I love e-books!   | 
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|  06-04-2008, 10:27 AM | #10 | 
| zeldinha zippy zeldissima            Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you? | 
			
			i hope you don't mind if i borrow (*cough*steal*cough*) that title from you one of these days, DixieGal. i sense i'm going to find plenty of use for it, possibly wholly unrelated to ebooks.
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|  06-04-2008, 11:01 AM | #11 | 
| Hi There!            Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad | 
			
			I'd consider it an honor to have you steal it!
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|  06-04-2008, 11:12 AM | #12 | |
| Crankier than average     Posts: 143 Karma: 345 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern Oregon mountains Device: Kindle #1, Kindle #2; internet appliance - The Chumby. | Quote: 
 I occasionally proofread for Distributed Proofreaders, and I have to say that most of the newly scanned things have very, very few OCR/scanner errors. | |
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|  06-04-2008, 11:13 AM | #13 | 
| Chocolate Grasshopper ...            Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW | 
			
			General lack of proof-reading...seems more common in e-books, than in the printed version...(and these be legally purchased e-books).
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|  06-04-2008, 06:25 PM | #14 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,462 Karma: 6061516 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cascais, Portugal Device: Kindle PW, Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2", OnePlus 6 | 
			
			Until I buy the Cybook (just holding on a few days before finally doing it), I'm only checking free samples from Mobipocket and some free ebooks from here. The irritating thing? I like fantasy books. And many of them have maps with them. In the samples I've checked I can only see those maps with the size of thumbnails. If I zoom, it becomes unreadable. The thumbnail size doesn't even let me see the landscape, much less read the names in it... I wonder if it's because of being just a sample, or if that's how it is in the retail version. | 
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|  06-04-2008, 06:45 PM | #15 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW | Quote: 
 The map will probably be small in the real book also. The reason is that old programs or methods have been used for the conversion. In some cases I thing you get larger images if you buy the lit version and convert to MobiPocket. | |
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