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Old 01-21-2012, 06:14 PM   #166
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I haven't followed this too closely, but I'm curious as to what our NZ members think of this;

Mr Dotcom (he kind of looks like a white version of Tracy Jordan's sidekick, just with less hair) is as I understand a German citizen and is now under consideration for extradition to stand trial in the US. Had he been a NZ citizen, could he still be extradited?
Yes, NZ citizens can be extradited to the US.

He is now a NZ resident - this scares me - according to local news sources, "His residency application for New Zealand initially failed the "good character" test, but was approved after he invested $10 million in Government bonds and made a donation to the Christchurch Earthquake Fund"

That makes it look like you can buy your way in here. Glad I didn't make that decision, whoever did must be worried now.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:34 PM   #167
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That makes it look like you can buy your way in here. Glad I didn't make that decision, whoever did must be worried now.
Since when government officials are responsible for their decisions? Paying for rights of residency works in many countries. Just look to Russian mafiozies who have found their shelter in the UK.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:37 PM   #168
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That makes it look like you can buy your way in here. Glad I didn't make that decision, whoever did must be worried now.
Well, at least they didn't sell the residency cheap.
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A sound investment on the part of the British Government there. I rather suspect that Her Majesty's Treasury has gained somewhat more in tax revenues from Ms Rowling than it paid her in benefit payments.
Indeed, social security is a good investment. Similarly, some piracy can be a good investment too. But it should be better regulated by laws, otherwise too restrictive laws only breeds corruptions and mafia.
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Yes, NZ citizens can be extradited to the US.

He is now a NZ resident - this scares me - according to local news sources, "His residency application for New Zealand initially failed the "good character" test, but was approved after he invested $10 million in Government bonds and made a donation to the Christchurch Earthquake Fund"

That makes it look like you can buy your way in here. Glad I didn't make that decision, whoever did must be worried now.
It is scary. This guy got ran out of Germany then moves to NZ and pays for citizenship. Could it be the NZ needed the US help fixing a mistake? After reading multiple articles it sounds like this guy had slip through the law multiple times which leads me to believe there's probably other things they wanted to charge him with but couldn't due to not enough evidence so they took what evidence they could and hope it will stick this time.

When this first started I thought it was just Copyright infringement and the big movie companies at play but the more I read the more I realize that was not the case.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:50 PM   #171
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It is scary. This guy got ran out of Germany then moves to NZ and pays for citizenship.
It's actually residency not citizenship, but heading down the same track. You have to be a resident for a certain time (I think it's 5 years) before you can become a citizen.
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And you beat me to the story about the raid!
Time zone edge.
Usually works the other way on stories near the date line, though.

The notable thing to me is how he tried to block them and they caught him holed up with the shotgun but decided not to shoot it out after all.
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It's actually residency not citizenship, but heading down the same track. You have to be a resident for a certain time (I think it's 5 years) before you can become a citizen.
Well then that makes even more sense. Thanks
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Time zone edge.
Usually works the other way on stories near the date line, though.

The notable thing to me is how he tried to block them and they caught him holed up with the shotgun but decided not to shoot it out after all.
I read it was a panic room he was hiding in that they had to cut into to get him.
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It is scary. This guy got ran out of Germany then moves to NZ and pays for citizenship. Could it be the NZ needed the US help fixing a mistake? After reading multiple articles it sounds like this guy had slip through the law multiple times which leads me to believe there's probably other things they wanted to charge him with but couldn't due to not enough evidence so they took what evidence they could and hope it will stick this time.
It does seem that way. The NZ officials were probably looking for a way to get him out and then this extradition request came along. They jumped at it.

Can't we send them back to Germany?
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It does seem that way. The NZ officials were probably looking for a way to get him out and then this extradition request came along. They jumped at it.

Can't we send them back to Germany?
The have a pirate party in Germany so if they did he might get elected to public office.
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Along with DotCom, Kim Tim Jim Vestor, 37, a resident of Hong Kong and New Zealand, was also arrested. Authorities say that DotCom founded MegaUpload and is the director and sole shareholder of Vestor Limited, which has been used to hold his ownership interests in the Mega-affiliated sites.
Kim Tim Jim Vestor is Kim Dotcom; they're both aliases.
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Yes, NZ citizens can be extradited to the US.

He is now a NZ resident - this scares me - according to local news sources, "His residency application for New Zealand initially failed the "good character" test, but was approved after he invested $10 million in Government bonds and made a donation to the Christchurch Earthquake Fund"

That makes it look like you can buy your way in here. Glad I didn't make that decision, whoever did must be worried now.
Being a resident and being a citizen has to have different implications, no?
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Being a resident and being a citizen has to have different implications, no?
Yes but I'm not exactly sure what - apart from things like holding a passport and voting. A resident can enter and leave the country without reapplying for visas.
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I was thinking more in terms of extradition. Many countries won't extradite their own citizens unless the crime has ocurred in the country asking for extradition, and then it usually has to be a violent crime. In Mr Dotcom's case the crimes has taken place globally and - as far as I know - nobody gut physically injured. However, if it is not a citizen then extraditions rules tend to be more lenient.
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