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And in my opinion, he would be right to do so. A creative work doesn't magically spring into existence simply because inspiration struck the creator, even if downloading a file in a few minutes might make it seem that way. Time and effort are essential ingredients, and often in tremendous quantities. There are plenty of people out there with an idea for a book they might like to write one day, but never will because they are either unwilling or unable to invest the amount of time and effort required.
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My 8 year old nephew recieved an iPod Touch for Christmas. When he showed me the music his dad put on it, I was surprised to hear him say, a mate had already showed him how to download music and use iTunes to copy it over to his iPod... This sort of thing reinforces the fact that our younger generations seem to place little value on copyright. But I was an active participant of the tape copy thing 30 years ago too, even if the means to distribute copied music was far more contained. Mind you, music these days is pretty woeful. Also, a great book was passed around my friends group when we were younger as well, depriving the author of payment and the publisher of several sales. That would amount to a form of copyright infringement as well I guess. ![]() |
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Certainly; it's the creator's choice whether or not to make the work freely available. What's wrong is to assume that ALL creative work should be freely given away.
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What is wrong it to assume that some options are not possible like you did in the text I quoted. |
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I don't see why that should be a surprise either. It was originally on his website, so only a fan would know about it, and only a fan would spend the time copying and pasting 80+ website pages to make an ebook. It's obvious someone who's that much of a fan would want to correspond/interact with their idol.
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What we need is a market place where consumers are more willing to say NO to organizations that use copyright to abuse consumers. |
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Seen this happen in the area of freeware software, if something that was free is then pulled, people seem to be more angry that it isn't free any more, than they were pleased when it was free... cue posting/uploading of the former freeware version.
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Creators have the right to do what they wish with their creations, but private property rights still apply.
It strikes me as disingenuous to take a what-has-the-world-come-to attitude to what what was clearly Keene's mistake. If I park my car in the middle of Times Square with the keys on the hood, sure, I can bemoan societal attitudes when I return to find it gone - but I would still be an idiot. If Keene wanted to sell his work for a time and also give it away he should have done so in that order. Last edited by no.guru; 01-02-2012 at 09:15 AM. Reason: addition |
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Mr. Keene acted entirely properly and within the law. He has every right to feel aggrieved that someone whom he thought was a supporter of his work would betray his trust in this way. |
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I get that that his wishes weren't adhered to but by that point he was asking for a courtesy. As I said, if he had charged for his works first and only later gave them away we wouldn't even be discussing this. Creators all over the internet are making money from their works, but not using Keene's techniques. There always have been and always will be those who simply take and see no reason to contribute or that any rules apply to them. Keene misjudged, and it's not due to declining morals. Same as it ever was. Last edited by no.guru; 01-02-2012 at 12:18 PM. Reason: addition |
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I can see why some people might view Mr. Keene's strategy for marketing his book as naive even as others defend it, just as I understand why people were arguing in favor of different definitions of the word appreciation. Both definitions are correct, but only one matches Keene's usage.
What I can't see is vowing not to read Keene's fiction any more simply because one finds his online "whining" (or "whinging", if you prefer) annoying. Many have said they admire Keene's fiction but now dislike him as a person. Both observations might be true, but only one matches culture's assessment of writers over time. Making cool works of art does not make any artist a cool person. Some writers truly are laid-back and welcoming, some are adept at appearing that way, some milk their notoriety and others screw up endlessly in public while trying desperately to be likable or stick up for themselves. None of that has anything to do with the quality of their work. Writing is a lonely craft. It often attracts pariahs and misanthropes -- people who can't get along with others or actually detest them. No accident that many of the greatest modernist writers were fascists. I still read Ezra Pound, T.S. Eliot and Wyndham Lewis despite evidence in their work and elsewhere of their anti-Semitism. I still listen to Richard Strauss despite his long-term employment by Adolf H. You could argue that Shakespeare was an anti-Semite as well (though you'd be hard-pressed to find an Elizabethan who wasn't similarly predisposed). Whinemeal, endless writers have led lives of tolerance and altruism, some of them devoting themselves to causes in which I believe. Yet I do not read their books unless they write very well, because living well isn't enough. Most of us have time to do one of the other. Few have had time for both. When I was fourteen, an older writer friend took me to a week-long workshop taught by a dozen famous novelists. There I got the chance to meet many of the writers whom I'd read and admired for years. Very few of them were likable, none cared if they were, and many disappointed me in some way. I'd thought they would all be cool guys because they wrote cool books. A few really were what I'd hoped, but so many weren't that I learned an important lesson: Artists are not their work. Some put the best part of themselves into it and some are even comparably wretched people. Some seem identical to their work but really aren't (as their posthumous letters sometimes reveal). And some are simply very different from it, as actors often claim to be from their characters. Since then, several reasonably successful writers have told me personally that to write fiction is to lie. One of them actually said it gleefully, practically rubbing her palms at the idea. The impact of that statement is not moral but philosophical. The writers who confessed this are not wrong for "lying," but neither can their books be considered windows into their souls. A writer's likability or lack of it has nothing to do with the seductiveness of their fiction. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 01-08-2012 at 12:54 AM. Reason: Corrected a typo. |
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