Words: Jay or Nay Friday

[vivaldirules]

Originally Posted by akiburis

Actually, it's very unlikely that anyone would have reminded you of this. As a strict rule of usage, it was dead even before Fowler's day, I think, and he certainly didn't prescribe it. Nor has any intelligent prescriptivist since Fowler. But it survives, indeed thrives, as a cherished straw man in antiprescripivist polemic.

It may be true that avoiding sentences that end in prepositions is a practice that died long ago but just try to tell that to your teacher or prof after he/she/it has graded your paper.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by vivaldirules

It may be true that avoiding sentences that end in prepositions is a practice that died long ago but just try to tell that to your teacher or prof after he/she/it has graded your paper.

On the subject of ending sentences with prepositions, people often recount a story involving Winston Churchill. When an editor dared to change a sentence of Churchill's that appeared to end inappropriately with a preposition, Churchill responded by writing to the editor, "This is the kind of impertinence up with which I shall not put." His purpose, of course, was to illustrate the awkwardness that can result from rigid adherence to the notion that prepositions at the end of sentences are always incorrect.

From my favorite web site on English grammer and word usage: http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/022703.htm

BOb

[igorsk]

Grammer, eh?

[montsnmags]

Originally Posted by akiburis

...But it survives, indeed thrives, as a cherished straw man in antiprescripivist polemic.

I just wanted to requote this, not so much because of meaning but because it tastes so delicious in my mouth and feels like warm jelly in my ears. Mmmm, antiprescriptivist polemic, argggllll....

Cheers,
Marc

[akiburis]

Well, you seem to be enjoying it, in your way. I'm glad.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by igorsk

Grammer, eh?

I'm sure you know what I meant. Forgive my typo.

gram·mar Audio Help/ˈgræmər/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[gram-er]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.the study of the way the sentences of a language are constructed; morphology and syntax. 2.these features or constructions themselves: English grammar. 3.an account of these features; a set of rules accounting for these constructions: a grammar of English. 4.Generative Grammar. a device, as a body of rules, whose output is all of the sentences that are permissible in a given language, while excluding all those that are not permissible. 5.prescriptive grammar. 6.knowledge or usage of the preferred or prescribed forms in speaking or writing: She said his grammar was terrible. 7.the elements of any science, art, or subject. 8.a book treating such elements.

BOb

[igorsk]

Bah, of course I knew what you meant, no need to go all lexicographic on me. I just found it funny that you made a mistake describing a link about language

[grimo1re]

Agreed on your nyet. Even worse is 'moving forward'. EEEEKK!

Originally Posted by vivaldirules

jay: "henceforth", or, if that sounds too stuffy for you, "in the future" or even "from now on".

nyet: "going forward", a blithering idiot who is either a business executive or a business consultant is responsible for this idiocy, I'm certain. You can add to this a never-ending list of similar business-gibberish which I don't wish to mention. Sorry, I've had up to HERE with this kind of new-speak by these fools.

Sorry. Coming down now. Watch out below!

[grimo1re]

"usually" Especially if you say it the lazy Aussie way and make it rhyme with muesli (don't confuse the result with hugely though).

"at this juncture". Just. Don't. Use. It.

[igorsk]

I always liked Raymond's posts on Microspeak.
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ar...k/default.aspx
Does your company have its own slang too?

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by igorsk

I always liked Raymond's posts on Microspeak.
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/ar...k/default.aspx
Does your company have its own slang too?

oh my, i just don't even know how to react to that. consternation is probably dominant (but also a conflict between profound amusement and scorn, resigned head-shaking, and some other things in traces too small to identify immediately).

as for your question, i *am* my own company (freelance...) so, being an adept of mozzling, the answer is yes.

[slayda]

(Y) - Good general quantitative words like stuff & bunch. E.g. "How much stuff do you have?" "A bunch."

(N) - as of yet E.g. "As of yet, the shuttle has not launched."

Another negative that was my father's favorite was seen in a newspaper - "The woman was shot and the bullet is in her yet." Where is a woman's yet?

[zelda_pinwheel]

nyet : IANAL and other IMLAWTMFTFO*.

*Incomprehensible Multi-Letter Acronyms Which Take Me Forever To Figure Out

yeah yeah, *now* i know it means "I Am Not A Lawyer." and what kind of social commentary is that, that this general blanket disclaimer and exemption of all responsibility has become an accepted, commonly-used acronym ??

(no "da" today : i'm using my left-over nyet from higher up.)

[montsnmags]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

nyet : IANAL and other IMLAWTMFTFO*.

*Incomprehensible Multi-Letter Acronyms Which Take Me Forever To Figure Out

yeah yeah, *now* i know it means "I Am Not A Lawyer." and what kind of social commentary is that, that this general blanket disclaimer and exemption of all responsibility has become an accepted, commonly-used acronym ??

(no "da" today : i'm using my left-over nyet from higher up.)

Of all the acronyms, I've always liked IANAL, as I thought it was making fun of its own content, with the added bonus of irony:

"I Am Not A Lawyer", and, by saying so I [am being] ANAL, and (for irony) I include this abdication of responsibility, just like a lawyer would recommend.

Of course, maybe that's not the premise by which it came about, nor even reason for its continuance, but I take my humour where and when I can get it. Life can't always look good, but it can usually look "funny".

Cheers,
Marc (LOL)

[pshrynk]

Originally Posted by igorsk

I also tent do drop commas when doing subtitiles (even in Russian, where there are hard rules on where you put your commas) unless they're necessary for comprehension, since I think they add to the time needed to read a subtitle.

What? they put you in a gulag if you improperly use commas?