What is in your cup? - Page 1152

aceflor · 12-06-2011, 10:18 AM

I will just say this : if men were the ones supposed to give birth, the human specy would have been a very, very short lived one....
Pain is a sensation, as such everyone has a different relation to it and the limit of what is bearable is absolutely variable from one person to anther. Add the fact that some women have wide hips, some not, some babies have big heads, some not, some anesthesists are very talented, some not, and you soon realize you can't make an equation out of the giving birth experience.

Prof: you should do what you feel comfortable with and choose your own way. None of us here is entitled to telling you what to do, it is your boat, and you are the captain !

aceflor · 12-06-2011, 10:33 AM

Here another story about pain. A good friend of mine, 35 years old was sick, cervical cancer T4 N1, dying and very much in pain. She had weeks, at the most 2 months to live. She was getting morphine, but they refused to give her a morphine pump because she could become a drug addict. The irony....

This made me, and still makes me, terribly, terribly mad.

astra · 12-06-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceflor

Here another story about pain. A good friend of mine, 35 years old was sick, cervical cancer T4 N1, dying and very much in pain. She had weeks, at the most 2 months to live. She was getting morphine, but they refused to give her a morphine pump because she could become a drug addict. The irony....

This made me, and still makes me, terribly, terribly mad.

That was the reason why I said aloud that I was glad my mother died before she got to this 3-4 months experience through hell.

CRussel · 12-06-2011, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aceflor

Here another story about pain. A good friend of mine, 35 years old was sick, cervical cancer T4 N1, dying and very much in pain. She had weeks, at the most 2 months to live. She was getting morphine, but they refused to give her a morphine pump because she could become a drug addict. The irony....

This made me, and still makes me, terribly, terribly mad.

It should make you mad. Fortunately, this is an attitude that is changing in the medical world. But clearly there are still vestiges of it. If you ever run into it with someone you love, put them in contact with the local Hospice group. They can help.

Fresh squeezed OJ in my glass.

astra · 12-06-2011, 11:16 AM

Sometimes I forget why I am here. Senior moment?

Cuppa #5
Yorkshire Gold Tea.

bjones6416 · 12-06-2011, 11:30 AM

My pain story: When I had my (abdominal) hysterectomy last February, my doctor was very intent on pain control. (I love her.) When I came out of surgery, I had a morphine pump along with an On-Q system which feeds anesthetic directly into the incision for a couple of days. I did great. Sure, it hurt to walk around, but knowing I had this great pain control thing I knew it wasn't anything I couldn't handle. I hardly had to use the morphine, plus it made my blood pressure too low so they took it away. Fast forward a couple of days when she came in to remove the On-Q tube: it was CLAMPED OFF! Apparently after she put it in place following the surgery, someone on the surgical team clamped it off temporarily to do something to the dressing, then forgot to unclamp it before zipping it into the little pouch. My doc was furious, and raised a huge fuss. The thing is, though, that I didn't KNOW I wasn't getting this great anesthetic dripped continuously into my incision, and only a couple of times did I think the pain was more than it should be. Placebo effect is very real.

Quake1028 · 12-06-2011, 11:41 AM

A big cup of English Breakfast Tea with milk.

pdurrant · 12-06-2011, 11:54 AM

Orangeade with zero added sugar

beppe · 12-06-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

That is very much our travel experience. When we went to Australia and New Zealand we did what we wanted to do with minimal concern about money. We knew we were not likely to go back and so enjoyed where we were when we were there.

Skim Milk to go with a veggie quessadilla and chocolate chip cookies.

And for the record, I am dreading months 8-10 already. The more I read about labor the more I think a C Section is the way to go. (shudders) Overall I am enjoying being pregnant. I am excited to have a baby growing in me and excited/scared for the challenges that are going to come these next 21 years.

And yet those chapters on labor scare the crap out of me. (winks)

thank you for letting me vent. It is helping my husband a great deal.

The ideal is to have a doctor that you trust.
The last 3 births that I have been involved with in the last 4 years have all been C Sections, and they all went very well for all concerned (2 Big Daughter (37 on the last one) and 1 Big Girl, 42). It is very frequent here in Italy and object of much debate. Just a number. In 2008, the biggest hospital of Milano, with 6790 babies per year had 41.62% of CSections.
In all cases were the doctors to take the decision. The professionals.

I strongly advise father to be to stay away from the delivery room. I have seen friends remain under shock for months after that, to the advantage of nobody. I got the impression that us men, we are not just equipped for that. It might be better to keep our manly resources to be of help after the event. Then, it is the time to share the burden.
Some of us are so lucky to have women that do not feel the need to underline our inferiority at every occasion

aceflor · 12-06-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beppe

Some of us are so lucky to have women that do not feel the need to underline our inferiority at every occasion

VydorScope · 12-06-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beppe

I strongly advise father to be to stay away from the delivery room.

I could not more strongly disagree with this. I was not only there, I cut the umbilical cord (which btw is a bit harder to snip then you would guess!).

ProfCrash · 12-06-2011, 03:05 PM

We are aiming for not a C section and will only have one if the Dr indicates it is needed.

Rooibos Wild Berries and Thyme.

CRussel · 12-06-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

We are aiming for not a C section and will only have one if the Dr indicates it is needed.

Rooibos Wild Berries and Thyme.

Good, I think. (Easy for me, I'm not the one who has to do the work.)

Finally getting my morning Peet's coffee. It was either that or I was going to end up with my keyboard embedded in my forehead.

astra · 12-06-2011, 04:20 PM

Cuppa #7

Afternoon Tea (F&M)
When I finish this tea and TEIC's UVA, I will order another Ceylon UVA to try

I think I have 3 or 4 sources in bookmarks.

beppe · 12-06-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VydorScope

I could not more strongly disagree with this. I was not only there, I cut the umbilical cord (which btw is a bit harder to snip then you would guess!).

Good for you !!!

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12-06-2011, 10:18 AM	#17266
aceflor Wizard Posts: 3,472 Karma: 48036360 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: where the sun lives, or so they say Device: Pocketbook Era, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Scribe	I will just say this : if men were the ones supposed to give birth, the human specy would have been a very, very short lived one.... Pain is a sensation, as such everyone has a different relation to it and the limit of what is bearable is absolutely variable from one person to anther. Add the fact that some women have wide hips, some not, some babies have big heads, some not, some anesthesists are very talented, some not, and you soon realize you can't make an equation out of the giving birth experience. Prof: you should do what you feel comfortable with and choose your own way. None of us here is entitled to telling you what to do, it is your boat, and you are the captain !

12-06-2011, 10:33 AM	#17267
aceflor Wizard Posts: 3,472 Karma: 48036360 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: where the sun lives, or so they say Device: Pocketbook Era, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Scribe	Here another story about pain. A good friend of mine, 35 years old was sick, cervical cancer T4 N1, dying and very much in pain. She had weeks, at the most 2 months to live. She was getting morphine, but they refused to give her a morphine pump because she could become a drug addict. The irony.... This made me, and still makes me, terribly, terribly mad.

12-06-2011, 11:16 AM	#17270
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Sometimes I forget why I am here. Senior moment? Cuppa #5 Yorkshire Gold Tea.

12-06-2011, 11:30 AM	#17271
bjones6416 ↓↓ Skirt!! Earrings!! Posts: 3,394 Karma: 17432172 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Georgia, USA Device: Acer netbook, JetBook Lite, Sony PRS-300, Kindle 2, Kindle Fire	My pain story: When I had my (abdominal) hysterectomy last February, my doctor was very intent on pain control. (I love her.) When I came out of surgery, I had a morphine pump along with an On-Q system which feeds anesthetic directly into the incision for a couple of days. I did great. Sure, it hurt to walk around, but knowing I had this great pain control thing I knew it wasn't anything I couldn't handle. I hardly had to use the morphine, plus it made my blood pressure too low so they took it away. Fast forward a couple of days when she came in to remove the On-Q tube: it was CLAMPED OFF! Apparently after she put it in place following the surgery, someone on the surgical team clamped it off temporarily to do something to the dressing, then forgot to unclamp it before zipping it into the little pouch. My doc was furious, and raised a huge fuss. The thing is, though, that I didn't KNOW I wasn't getting this great anesthetic dripped continuously into my incision, and only a couple of times did I think the pain was more than it should be. Placebo effect is very real.

12-06-2011, 11:41 AM	#17272
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12-06-2011, 03:05 PM	#17277
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	We are aiming for not a C section and will only have one if the Dr indicates it is needed. Rooibos Wild Berries and Thyme.

12-06-2011, 04:20 PM	#17279
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Cuppa #7 Afternoon Tea (F&M) When I finish this tea and TEIC's UVA, I will order another Ceylon UVA to try I think I have 3 or 4 sources in bookmarks.