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Old 12-02-2011, 07:25 AM   #91
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Whoa! Could you expand on that? Is it like the pentile SAMOLED versus RGB SAMOLED displays?
I don't know about the things you mention, but the Triton colour screen is quite straightforward. It's essentially a 1600x1200 greyscale eInk screen, with a

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(red, green, blue, white) overlay, so that four of the greyscale pixels go to make up one colour pixel.

So the colour pixel resolution is half that of the B&W resolution. 100dpi instead of 200dpi.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:39 AM   #92
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Someone kick the person that wrote that press release. That is so lame to state it in that way.
It seems to be the standard way that eInk devices are measured.

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One Month Battery Life
No battery anxiety - read for up to one month on a single charge with wireless off and a half hour of reading per day.
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NEW! Longest battery life – read for up to 2 months based on 1 hour of daily reading
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:57 AM   #93
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The standard way to measure battery life used to be the number of page turns. Which was also exaggerated by the makers, but at least made more sense than the number of days, weeks or months.
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:06 AM   #94
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The standard way to measure battery life used to be the number of page turns. Which was also exaggerated by the makers, but at least made more sense than the number of days, weeks or months.
Not really. The battery life is consumed by both page turn and constant background demands. If you want the most page turns, you keep turning them as fast as you can until the battery dies to grab a bigger piece of the juice for that. If you want the longest time, you don't turn any pages and let the battery be consumed entirely by the background needs of the operating system and hardware. You need both pieces of information to get something closer to the whole picture. However, since no one can read at the fastest page turn speed, and most people probably don't average many pages per day, the time to drain the battery without page turns is probably more applicable. I know it is for me, as I don't read anything like thousands of pages on my devices between recharges.
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Did some searching over the weekend and found some more pics...

(NB: follow the links for the full set of pics)

Some people bought the device?
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Different models?
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the buttons:
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the screen (off center, centered, poor viewing angles?, dithering?)
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And, finally, the motherlode—from cafe.naver.com (korean) via a bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com thread (english)

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Is that the Kindle app?

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Old 12-05-2011, 08:27 AM   #96
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Thanks Pata. This thing is looking pretty good.
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Thanks Pata. This thing is looking pretty good.
Give me a seven inch screen and I am in.
A three day camping trip with all my comics.
I need to get busy with a scanner.
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Here's the writeup from the person who posted those comparison pics on cafe.naver.com:

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보 e리더 정말 말 많은 단말같아요 ㅎㅎ
신문에 기사가 엄청 떴네요.
단말기를 구할 수 있는 상황이어서 단말기가 있습니다.
교보에서 론칭 당일 몇십대 팔았고, 출판사나 단말기 제조사는 아직 구입이 가능한 것 같아요.

미라솔은 오래전부터 관심있던 디스플레이라 미라솔에 대한 몇가지 진실을 정리해 보겠습니다.
미라솔 기술을 7년 넘게 알고 있었고, 계속 관심을 가진 터라 제가 아는 내용을 정리해 보겠습니다.
미라솔이 나비에서 출발했다는 말이 있는데 누가 마케팅용이라고 하더군요. 마케팅용이 아닙니다.
나비의 날개에 여러 색이 있지만 빛이 없는 곳에서 나비의 날개를 볼 수 있다면 나비 날개에서 색이 없는 투명한 가루만 보일겁니다. 투명한 튜브형 가루에 빛이 통과를 하면서 빛이 나는데 미라솔은 이 기술을 사용합니다.(디스커버리인가 내셔널지오그래픽채널인가에 다큐가 있으니 궁금하면 찾아보세요)
아래 내용은 개인적인 의견도 들어가 있으니 참고하시고...

1. 미라솔의 컬러
- 미라솔은 거울로 색을 표현합니다. 나노크기의 거울이 LCD의 액상 크리스털의 역할을 대신합니다.
- 현재 표현 가능 색상 수는 256 컬러 수준으로 알고 있습니다. 256이 약간 안되는걸로 어느 기술 문서에서 읽은 기억이...
- 컬러의 단점 : 보는 각도, 외부 밝기에 따라 컬러 표현이 달라집니다. 보는 각도는 정면 45도 각도가 가장 선명한 컬러를 제공함. 태양 빛 처럼 밝을 경우 LCD라고 생각이 들 정도로 선명한 컬러를 보여주지만 형광등이나 백열등 같은 실래 밝기에서의 컬러는 조금 탁한 느낌.
- 시야각 : 시야각은 없음 180도 가까운 시야각을 보여줌
단, 각도에 따라 컬러 차이가 심하네요. 45도에서 쨍하던 색이 45도를 넘어가면서 색감이 탁해집니다.

2. 디스플레이 반응 속도
- LCD와 비교하면 많이 느립니다.
- 좌측과 우측에 콘트롤러가 달려있어서 화면을 반으로 갈라 좌우측이 따로 움직입니다.
* 단말기 보신 분이 다음페이지 넘길때 오른쪽에서 왼쪽으로 넘어간다고 하던데 그게 이 문제인것 같습니다.
* 화면 왼쪽에서 중간까지 --> 이렇게 화면이 바뀌고, 중간에서 오른쪽까지 --> 이렇게 넘어가다보니 생기는....
- FPS 15인걸로 알고 있습니다. 소프트웨어적으로 40까지 올릴 수 있다고 하나 동영상을 보기엔 무리가 있습니다.
* FPS는 퀄컴의 기술 문서로 확인한 것이고(인터넷에서 구할 수 있음), 동영상이 무리라는건 FPS를 근거로 한 추측입니다.
- 터치스크린이 지원됩니다. 교보 e리더로 PDF 보니 2포인트까지는 되는거 확인했습니다. 그 이상은??? 이건 미라솔 기술이 아니기 때문에...

3. Front Light
- 어떤 분이 LCD 아니냐고, 구형 LCD 느낌이란 소리를 해서 Front Light을 끄고 햇볓에서 보여줬습니다. 그분의 휴대폰과 함께요. '아니구나' 하시네요.
- LCD는 백라이트를 사용합니다. 색과 영상을 표현하는 디스플레이 뒷면에 라이트가 있어 이 빛이 눈으로 직접 들어갑니다.
- 그래서 LCD는 쨍한 태양 아래에서 처럼 백라이트보다 밝은 조도에서는 영상이 보이지 않습니다.
- 그리고 야외에서도 잘 보인다는 몇몇 LCD는 백라이트를 엄청 밝게 해 놓은 제품이기 때문에 눈에 좋을리 없습니다.
- Front Light은 디스플레이 앞쪽에 위치합니다. 책의 독서등 처럼 빛을 책쪽으로 비추고, 반사되는 빛으로 책을 보는 원리와 같습니다.
- Front Light을 켜면 LCD와 비슷한 느낌이 들긴 하지만 LCD 보다는 눈이 덜 피로합니다. 이건 개인 경험치이니 사람마다 차이가 날 수 있습니다.
- Front Light이 있다는건 e-ink 단말과 비교해 장점이라 생각됩니다. 별도 악세사리가 필요 없고, 잠자기 전에 잠깐 책보기 편합니다. 그리고 아주 어두울때는 Front Light을 아주 약하게 켜도 잘 보이네요. 야외에서는 끄고 보나 켜고 보나 전혀 차이 안납니다.
- 미라솔도 단점은 있습니다. 실내에서 e-ink는 형광등 불빛으로 충분히 읽을만 하지만, 미라솔은 Front Light을 켜야하네요. 사람따라 차이는 나겠지만, 끄고 보면 약간 어둡습니다.

4. 배터리 수명
- "30분씩 독서시 한달사용이라니....차라리 10분씩 독서시 세달사용이라고 하죠."
- 어떤 분이 교보 사이트에 올린 댓글이네요. 어디 가서 저런 멍청한 소리 하지 마세요. 저사람 분명 킨들은 배터리 오래 가는데 교보 e리더는 형편없다고 할 사람이에요.
- One Month Battery Liferead for up to one month on a single charge with wireless off and a half hour of reading per day.
- 이게 킨들의 배터리 수명입니다. 그리고 e-ink 단말의 기본 usability inspection model입니다. 이 모델을 기준으로 Nook이 7일이고 아이패드는 더 짧을거에요.
- 미라솔이 백라이트가 있으니 켜고 했을거라 생각합니다. 그럼 킨들보다 배터리 사용성은 좋다는 소리입니다.
- 제 안드로이드폰 배터리는 대기모드에서 3일 가고, 갤탭은 대기모드로만 1주일을 못넘기네요. 하루 30분씩 쓰면 3일도 못갑니다.
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5. 사이즈
- 미라솔 디스플레이의 최대 사이즈가 현재 5.7"입니다.
- 1년쯤 후에 8인치인가? 나온다네요.
- 내년에는 4인치짜리 스마트폰이 나올수도 있을 것 같습니다.(퀄컴이 국내 모 업체에 자주 방문을 하고 있어요)
- 5.7인치인데 4:3입니다. 와이드가 아니에요. 가로 크기를 비교하면 갤탭 7인치와 거의 같습니다. 킨들 파이어 보진 못했지만 7"의 와이드인걸 가만하면 킨들 파이어와 비교해도 가로 사이즈는 차이 안날거에요. 세로가 손가락 한마디쯤 차이날듯.
- 제 폰이 4.3"이니 5.7"가 작아보이기도 한데 폰으로도 책 잘 읽고 있어 5.7인치가 텍스트 위주의 책을 보는데 작다는 생각은 안들어요.
- PDF로 된 책을 보기엔 정말 많이 부족합니다. 5.7"여도 해상도가 1024*768이라 e-ink의 640*480과는 비교할 수 없이 선명하지만 크기가 작은건 어쩔 수 없어 보이네요.

6. 수명
- 미라솔의 단점 중 하나입니다.
- 위에서 미라솔은 거울로 빛을 표현한다고 설명 드렸는데, e-ink가 반은 흰색, 반은 검은색인 둥근 잉크 입자가 위아래로 움직이면서 글자를 표현한다면, 미라솔은 거울이 위아래로 움직이며 색을 표현합니다.
- 거울이 위아래로 움직이려면 기름이 잘 칠해져 있어야 하는데 이게 시간이 지나면 뻑뻑해 지겠지요.
- 미라솔 수명은 3년 정도로 알고 있습니다. 3년이 지나면 멈춘다는게 아니고, 3년이 지나면 움직이지 않는 거울이 생겨 데드픽셀처럼 보일 수 있다는거에요.

* 수명이 있다는 것에 오해가 있나봅니다. 미라솔만 수명이 있는게 아니고 디스플레이는 모두 수명이 있습니다. 미라솔의 단점은 3년이라는거고 일반 LCD역시 5년 정도로 길지 않아요. 다만 LCD는 색이 탁해지고 어두워지는 문제라면 미라솔은 다른 형태로 나타난다는 차이가 있을 뿐입니다.

7. 가격
- 편들려는건 아니지만 교보가 노력 많이 한 것 같습니다. 어쩌면 멍청한 짓을 저지른 것일수도 있고요.
- 제 기대 가격은 $250이고, 예상 가격은 40만원쯤 이었습니다. 그래서 바보짓이라고 한거에요. 비쌀 수 밖에 없는데 만드니까.
- 미라솔 패널 가격이 장당 $70~$100 사이입니다. 디스플레이 하는분은 알겠지만 디스플레이도 등급이 있는데 교보e리더는 A급인것 같네요. 그럼 $100짜리일거고, 단말기 부품 원가만 따져도 $250은 나온다는 소리에요.
- 디스플레이 뺀 나머지 부품 값을 $150으로 잡았으니 높게 잡은건 아닙니다. 여기에 공장 마진 붙고(대당 10% 이상), 개발비 붙고(최소 5%), 운송비 붙고(1%), VAT 붙고(10%), 관세(8%) 붙고 하면 $350 밑으로는 나오기 힘들어요.
- 교보문고가 349만원으로 파는데 현재 환율로는 손해본다에 교보 e리더 한대와 500원 걸지요 ㅎㅎ 40만원 정도는 나와야 손해 안볼거에요.

8. 이건 미라솔은 아니지만... 교보 e리더의 안드로이드에 대해...
- 루팅이란게 있습니다 ^^
- 킨들 앱 좋네요 ㅎㅎ 근데 영어로 책을 볼 실력이 안되서... ㅜ.ㅡ
- 정보를 좀 드리자면, ADB 서버 막혀있네요. 아예 안넣은 것 같습니다만....안넣었다고 못넣는다는 소리는 아닙니다 ㅋ


끝으로...
게임은 깔지 마세요. 동영상도 비추입니다. 텍스트 보기엔 딱 좋네요. 아이패드, 갤럭시, 스마트폰, E-INK 다 비교해도 미라솔 만한게 없습니다. 텍스트라고 교보 eBook만 볼 이유 없잖아요 ^^ 위키, 트위터, 페북, RSS, 신문...... 텍스트용으로는 최고인 것 같습니다.
게임하고 동영상 보실 분들은 아이패드 사세요. 아이패드가 제일 좋네요. 사견이니 여기에 대한 악플은 안받습니다 ^^

추가
ADB 관심 갖는 분들이 계셔서, 제가 사용한 adbd 파일입니다. (첨부)
뛰어난 실력은 아니기 때문에 겨우 sbin에 넣고 데몬 실행시킨 수준이에요.
이 말 이해 못하시면 권하지 않습니다. 이해하는 분만 직접 방법 찾아보세요. 실력 있는 분 계시면 쉽게 쓸수 있게도 부탁드리고요 ^^;


horribly butchered google's english translation
Spoiler:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 내맘대로(byword)
MS I think a lot of e-readers say Kyobo ㅎ ㅎ
Tteotneyo a lot of articles in the newspaper.
Terminal device to obtain a situation that has followed.
Some ten sold in the launch day of Kyobo, publishing or handset manufacturers still think that can be purchased.

Mira Sol was interested for a long time as the display of some of Mira Sol, let's sum up the truth.
Mirasol technology, he knew more than seven years, with continued attention, let's sum up what I know of atmospheres.
Mira Sol from Butterfly Marketing dragon, and someone said and did. Marketing is not easy.
Multiple colors on a butterfly's wings, but the absence of light where you can see the wings of a butterfly wing color in the butterfly would appear to be no clear garuman. Light through a transparent tube with powder brush, light smell mum is using this technology (Discovery is the National Geographic Channel documentary on whether the find, so when she gets older).
Below is a personal opinion. We do not go your ...

1. Mira Sol's color
- Mira Sol in the mirror and color accuracy. Nano-sized liquid crystal mirrors the role of the LCD instead.
- The current number of colors can be represented by a 256-color level, I know. 256 This somewhat technical article should not read from any memory geolro ...
- Color of the downside: the viewing angle, the external representation of color will vary depending on the brightness. The front of the viewing angle 45-degree angle Provides the most vivid colors. Light, bright like the sun I think you'll find it, the LCD shows a vivid color, but as fluorescent or incandescent color in brightness silrae feel a little stale.
- Viewing angle: 180 degrees Viewing angles are not showing a viewing angle close to
However, differences in color depending on the angle's faulty. 45 to 45 degrees beyond the color while jjanghadeon takhaejipnida nuance.

2. Display response time
- LCD and much slower in comparison.
- Go left and right side depends on the controller left and right side in half the screen is moving independently.
Next minute you see * device neomgilttae crossed from right to left, while entertaining friends after I heard the same and that.
* On the left side of the screen until the middle -> This will change the screen, to the right in the middle -> I fall into this occurs ....
- FPS 15 is like something you know. In software that you can upload up to 40 are a bunch of videos highly.
* FPS Qualcomm's technology will confirm in writing (may be available on the Internet), the movie that this was going to school is an FPS based on a guess.
- The touch screen is supported. Kyobo PDF to e-readers has confirmed that I'll take up to 2 points. More than that?? Because it's mirasol technology.

3. Front Light
- LCD is not a man who, if I feel older LCD Front Light and sound off Iran from sunlight clears or has seen. Here with his cell phone. "That's not a 'rubbish.
- LCD uses a backlight. To represent the color image display, there's light at the back of the light enters the eye directly.
- I like the LCD backlight jjanghan under the sun brighter than the illumination is not visible in the picture.
- And looks good on the road with some of the LCD backlight brighter place your product because it is really not joteulri eyes.
- Front Light is located in front of the display. Chaekjjokeuro book reading lights shining like a light, reflected light, the principle is the same as seeing the book.
- Front Light is turned on, you feel tempted, like LCD, but LCD is less than the eyes are tired. This personal experience may be different initiators per person.
- Front Light ruled that out as compared with the advantages of e-ink handset will think. Accessories do not have to be separate, are easy chaekbogi wait before bedtime. And very near dark when you turn the Front Light it looks very weak. Turn off the Vonage Vonage outdoors at all how much difference.
- Mira Sol is a disadvantage. Fluorescent lights in a room with a full e-ink Real page turner, but Mira Sol'm turning on the Front Light. Vary from those of the editorials, but off a little in the dark.

4. Battery Life
- "Reading for 30 minutes with one month three months disgrace .... rather use when reading for 10 minutes or so they say."
- It's a man who Kyobo comments posted on the site. Do not be silly to go anywhere like that. He certainly going a long battery Kyobo Kindle e-reader will never see a poor man.
- One Month Battery Liferead for up to one month on a single charge with wireless off and a half hour of reading per day.
- What is the Kindle's battery life. And e-ink handset is basic usability inspection model. Based on this model, the iPad Nook 7 ilyigo'll be shorter.
- Mira Sol just thought the backlight is turned on, so. So the sound is good usability kindeulboda battery.
- My Android battery went three days in the standby mode, standby mode, only one week motneomgineyo gaeltaepeun. Motgapnida write for 30 minutes a day three happened.
-

5. Size
- The maximum size of the mirasol display the current 5.7 "is
- After a year or so is 8 inches? 're Emerges.
- Next year, four-inch smartphone seems to be a bust (Qualcomm, and frequent visits to a domestic supplier's)
- It's 5.7 inches is 4:3. It's not widescreen. When you compare the size of the horizontal gaeltaep 7 inches and is nearly identical. Fire did not see the Kindle, but 7 "Wide ingeol alone even when you compare the horizontal size of the difference between the Kindle Firewire'll annal: a vertical difference between the finger naldeut hanmadijjeum.
- My phone is 4.3 "initiator 5.7" poneurodo book together is a good read. Jakahbo 5.7 in. viewing the text-oriented books, you know, the idea is small.
- PDF to see it so much a book is not enough. 5.7 "1024 * 768 as the co-resolution e-ink can be compared with the 640 * 480 size jakeungeon without a clear but I can not help it looks.

6. Life
- Mira Sol is one of the drawbacks.
- Representation on the Mira Sol explains that the light from the mirror, I caught, e-ink is half white and half black, round, up and down while moving the ink particles, if the letters represented, Mira Sol moves up and down the mirror and the color representation is.
A mirror to move up and down the oil well is this supposed to be painted over time jigetjiyo ppeokppeokhae.
- Mirasol is known as the life of three years. We do not want to stop after three years, the mirror does not move after three years may seem like dead pixels saenggyeo's NICOLE.

* That there is life, there's been a misunderstanding view. Mirasolman life display all life is not nothing. The disadvantage of Sol Mummy 3 nyeonyiraneungeogo General LCD also does long as five years. Darkening of the color LCD takhaejigo but if the problem appears in other forms of Mira Sol there is a difference.

7. Price
- Pyeondeulryeoneungeon Kyobo but there seems to be a lot of effort. Maybe a stupid thing that wants to be committed.
- I expected the price to $ 250, and the expected price was a 40 manwonjjeum. I did that was fooled. That's the way would be expensive make.
- Mirasol price per panel is between $ 70 to $ 100. Those who display a grade, which I know how you display Kyobo e-reader I think the A geupingeot. So $ 100 jjariilgeogo, the terminal parts wongaman ttajyeodo's the sound comes out to $ 250.
- Display the value of minus $ 150 in parts, not from killing yourself You got high. Coming up a plant here Margin (per 10%), and development transfixed (at least 5%), transportation prefixed (1%), VAT transfixed (10%), customs (8%), sticking it's hard when you come out $ 350 downwards.
- 3,490,000 won by mungo Kyobo a loss to see the current exchange rate for selling e-readers a Kyobo ㅎ ㅎ 400,000 won and 500 won I'll bet you will not look much damage that's gonna come out.

8. Mira Sol, but not this ... Kyobo e-reader for the Android ...
- Routing is abou ^ ^
- The Kindle App ㅎ ㅎ nice but in less than proficient in English, see the book ... ㅜ. ㅡ
- I firmly believe the information, ADB's blocked by the server. Anneoteotdago anneoteun'd feel at all .... does not sound motneotneundaneun ㅋ


Finally ...
Do not lay the game. Movies are too light. Just see it's good to text. IPad, Galaxy, Smartphone, E-INK is not nothing like it when compared Mirasol. EBook Kyobo see only the text that there's no reason ^ ^ wikis, Twitter, pebuk, RSS, News ...... Text seems to be best in yongeuroneun.
And those who see video games live the iPad. IPad is the most good. Are my opinion on this akpeul the anbatseupnida ^ ^

Additional
ADB those interested in it and Mr. Kent, I adbd file is used. (Attached)
How good is good because it is not just that the level sbin'm running into a daemon.
Say this is not recommended if you do not understand. Look for ways to understand the direct labor. If you're able facilitating skills of those who honored me ^ ^;


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Old 12-05-2011, 06:42 PM   #99
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it looks better than eink for black & white text
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it looks better than eink for black & white text
Not sure about that. I think it's probably even more susceptible to ambient lighting than eink.
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Old 12-05-2011, 07:21 PM   #101
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It's also much lower resolution. The Color jetBook claims 1600x1200, but that's the sub-pixel resolution; if you count colour pixels it's only 800x600.
Is there any reason we cannot have a 9.7" non-color eink screen at 1600x1200 resolution?
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That google translation is a pain to read... Then again, it makes me happy to see that speaking multiple languages is not yet a useless skill!
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Is there any reason we cannot have a 9.7" non-color eink screen at 1600x1200 resolution?
There's no technical reason why we couldn't have a 9.7" 200dpi greyscale eInk screen.

There may well be commercial viability reasons.
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much, much better screens! The initial ones made a horrible impression!

Definitely sharp and colorful images. I think the B&W patented "e-ink" days are over.
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