In Switzerland Downloading Copyrighted Materials for personal Use is Legal

emellaich · 12-02-2011, 12:08 PM

http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-d...-legal-111202/

The report notes that downloads don't decrease the budget that the individual uses for entertainment, therefore, it assumes that the entertainment industry is not harmed.

cfrizz · 12-02-2011, 12:45 PM

God bless practical Switzerland!!!

Zetmolm · 12-02-2011, 12:49 PM

Also here in the Netherlands downloading music, films and books for personal use is allowed. Our government was planning to make it illegal, but just this week a large majority of our Parliament spoke out against this change. But discussions are still going on.

Fbone · 12-02-2011, 05:48 PM

How large is the Swiss entertainment industry? They probably have little to lose.
Why would the Swiss government care if foreign companies are possibly harmed? The only ones affected would be Swiss retailers but I guess many Swiss buy much of their entertainment online anyway.

Serpentine · 12-02-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbone

How large is the Swiss entertainment industry? They probably have little to lose.

Pirated content has to be sold before it is actually a lost sale. Commercial piracy is still against the law.

We have the same stuff in SA, I've always thought it to be very sane. Though as mentioned, a lot of the new US entertainment lobbied law export attempts are trying to remove it - not that it'd make a bit of difference.

Andrew H. · 12-02-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fbone

How large is the Swiss entertainment industry? They probably have little to lose.

Well, there's "Heidi". And the "Swiss Family Robinson." And, umm, Friedrich Duerrenmatt.

:-)

RainingLemur · 12-02-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Well, there's "Heidi". And the "Swiss Family Robinson." And, umm, Friedrich Duerrenmatt.

:-)

Now that's some serious entertainment.

xg4bx · 12-03-2011, 12:14 AM

its amazing how simple yet logical that rationale is.

if i sold "illegally" obtained or counterfeit material then thats piracy. imo copyright infringment is a bs term that they made up because they can't technically nail you for piracy but theyve gotta get you for something, just like the police use disorderly persons when theres no real law that was broken.

Quexos · 12-03-2011, 03:36 AM

There's a country out there that upholds laws beneficial to their citizens instead of corporations ?
Get out of here

Is there any confirmation from other sources that this news is real ?

HarryT · 12-03-2011, 03:46 AM

This is a sad day for those who make their living from IP. The Swiss government is essentially saying "we don't give a damn that our citizens are stealing from you". Very disappointing.

karunaji · 12-03-2011, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

This is a sad day for those who make their living from IP. The Swiss government is essentially saying "we don't give a damn that our citizens are stealing from you". Very disappointing.

Why should they be sad if the amount of money people spend on entertainment does not change? By fighting piracy artists only decrease their popularity.

HarryT · 12-03-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by karunaji

Why should they be sad if the amount of money people spend on entertainment does not change? By fighting piracy artists only decrease their popularity.

That is a flawed argument. If someone downloads my program without paying for it, should I say "Oh, but the person who's stolen this program from me has gone out and bought someone else's program, so that makes it OK?"

afa · 12-03-2011, 05:51 AM

The Swiss have always been evil.

Just look at what they've given us. Cheese and chocolate and army knives... all are bad for your health.

karunaji · 12-03-2011, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That is a flawed argument. If someone downloads my program without paying for it, should I say "Oh, but the person who's stolen this program from me has gone out and bought someone else's program, so that makes it OK?"

Yes, it is OK.

It makes no difference because statistically another person who stole someone else's program bought your program.

sabredog · 12-03-2011, 06:32 AM

This is the sort of argument the corporations make where they equate every download as a lost sale, when plainly it is not.

Good to see that lie shoved back into their collective faces, at least in Switzerland.

12-02-2011, 12:08 PM	#1
emellaich Wizard Posts: 1,101 Karma: 4388403 Join Date: Oct 2007 Device: Palm>Ebookman>IPaq>Axim>Cybook>Kndl2>IPAD>Kndl3SO>Voyager>Oasis	In Switzerland Downloading Copyrighted Materials for personal Use is Legal http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-d...-legal-111202/ The report notes that downloads don't decrease the budget that the individual uses for entertainment, therefore, it assumes that the entertainment industry is not harmed. Last edited by emellaich; 12-02-2011 at 09:29 PM. Reason: Title typo

12-03-2011, 03:36 AM	#9
Quexos Member Retired Posts: 1,999 Karma: 11348924 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Limbo Device: none	There's a country out there that upholds laws beneficial to their citizens instead of corporations ? Get out of here Is there any confirmation from other sources that this news is real ? Last edited by Quexos; 12-03-2011 at 03:39 AM.

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Zetmolm Guru Posts: 615 Karma: 2362786 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: PocketBook Verse Pro Colour	Also here in the Netherlands downloading music, films and books for personal use is allowed. Our government was planning to make it illegal, but just this week a large majority of our Parliament spoke out against this change. But discussions are still going on.

12-02-2011, 05:48 PM	#4
Fbone Is that a sandwich? Posts: 8,312 Karma: 102338360 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus	How large is the Swiss entertainment industry? They probably have little to lose. Why would the Swiss government care if foreign companies are possibly harmed? The only ones affected would be Swiss retailers but I guess many Swiss buy much of their entertainment online anyway.

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xg4bx Are you gonna eat that? Posts: 1,633 Karma: 23215128 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Phillipsburg, NJ Device: Kindle 3, Nook STG	its amazing how simple yet logical that rationale is. if i sold "illegally" obtained or counterfeit material then thats piracy. imo copyright infringment is a bs term that they made up because they can't technically nail you for piracy but theyve gotta get you for something, just like the police use disorderly persons when theres no real law that was broken.

12-03-2011, 03:46 AM	#10
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	This is a sad day for those who make their living from IP. The Swiss government is essentially saying "we don't give a damn that our citizens are stealing from you". Very disappointing.

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afa The Forgotten Posts: 1,136 Karma: 4689999 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Dubai Device: Kindle Paperwhite; Nook HD; Sony Xperia Z3 Compact	The Swiss have always been evil. Just look at what they've given us. Cheese and chocolate and army knives... all are bad for your health.

12-03-2011, 06:32 AM	#15
sabredog Geographically Restricted Posts: 2,630 Karma: 14933353 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Device: Sony PRS-T3, Kindle Voyage, iPad Air2, Nexus7v2	This is the sort of argument the corporations make where they equate every download as a lost sale, when plainly it is not. Good to see that lie shoved back into their collective faces, at least in Switzerland.