Pricing sucks! - Page 3

Daithi · 12-01-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovejedd

Nah, Toyota doesn't have any control over Infiniti's pricing. Far as I'm aware, Infiniti is Nissan's.

They do, however, control Lexus pricing.

Darn it! I'm getting too old to rely on memory, and I just hosed my analogy. Thanks for pointing out my error.

pdurrant · 12-01-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

Here's the problem. The Kindle edition is $13.99 but the Mass Market Paperback edition is $3.98. Yes, I don't have to buy it if I don't like the price, and that is exactly what I'm doing -- not buying it. Nevertheless, it still ticks me off and I feel like moaning.

In the UK the Kindle edition is £2.99. About $4.99.

DiapDealer · 12-01-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I bought a paperback book, Do Unto Others by JF Gonzalez, last year that is about the same size as a Kindle, it actually holds less text per page than I am used to on a Kindle. I don't know if that is a common size in America or not, but it's the smallest book I have ever seen.

A Format (Mass Market) paperbacks — 110 mm x 178mm (4.33" x 7.01")
B Format (Posh) paperbacks — 130 mm x 198mm (5.12" x 7.8")
C Format (Trade) paperbacks — 135 mm x 216mm (5.32" x 8.51")

Generally accepted sizes. I'm sure there's a few freaks out there.

Daithi · 12-01-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

In the UK the Kindle edition is £2.99. About $4.99.

Arggghhh!

murraypaul · 12-01-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Why? eBooks are more valuable than pbooks. They never deteriorate, no matter how often you read them, and they occupy no physical storage space.

And they can't be lent, and can't be resold.
There are positives and negatives, that doesn't automatically make them more valuable.

JSWolf · 12-01-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

And they can't be lent, and can't be resold.
There are positives and negatives, that doesn't automatically make them more valuable.

And lets not forget the every popular GEORESTRICTIONS and AGENCY PRICING..

ilovejedd · 12-01-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

And lets not forget the every popular GEORESTRICTIONS and AGENCY PRICING..

That, I totally hate. I was looking for an ebook copy of The Solitaire Mystery and was very frustrated to find out I can't buy one in the US.

abookreader · 12-01-2011, 01:53 PM

If I had a nickel for every ebook I've passed over because of too high pricing .... well I'd be able to afford Agency Pricing I guess.

NicholasV · 12-01-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Because my house became full of books - double-stacked shelves on every available wall. To buy more books I would have had to buy a larger house. ...

It is your mentality not the physical books that are the problem. You are obviously are hoarder from what you are writing and the fact that you have/have had 5 e-book readers. You write like there is no other option than getting a bigger house. Alot of people on this site seem to hoard e-books, books or e-ink devices. The more cluttered your home environment is from superfluous stuff, the more cluttered your mind will be, because you have to keep a mental inventory of all that, and you have developed a strong mental attachment to those objects. Letting go liberates you emotionally, mentally, and you can find the few things you need or highly value much easier, compared to someone who thinks they need a dozen gadgets that reproduce each other's functions and a house full of books.

Most of the time you read a book once and that is it, it never gets touched again. After that you should let it go, there are lots of places you can do that. You could give/sell it to a thrift store, a library for their booksale, give it to a friend, resell it, trade it, etc. I find that in the few cases you need to lookup something in a book, you can do it often enough in Amazon's preview system or Google books.

DustyDisks · 12-01-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NicholasV

It is your mentality not the physical books that are the problem. You are obviously are hoarder from what you are writing and the fact that you have/have had 5 e-book readers. You write like there is no other option than getting a bigger house. Alot of people on this site seem to hoard e-books, books or e-ink devices. The more cluttered your home environment is from superfluous stuff, the more cluttered your mind will be, because you have to keep a mental inventory of all that, and you have developed a strong mental attachment to those objects. Letting go liberates you emotionally, mentally, and you can find the few things you need or highly value much easier, compared to someone who thinks they need a dozen gadgets that reproduce each other's functions and a house full of books.

Most of the time you read a book once and that is it, it never gets touched again. After that you should let it go, there are lots of places you can do that. You could give/sell it to a thrift store, a library for their booksale, give it to a friend, resell it, trade it, etc. I find that in the few cases you need to lookup something in a book, you can do it often enough in Amazon's preview system or Google books.

Can not disagree more, for most that read can read a book and put it away for a time. Then later read it again and get full enjoyment. Unless one has a photographic memory, and never forgets anything, Most can read a book and then let a year or so go by, and then reread and all it good! I have some favorites that I can cycle through over a couple of years and enjoy them just as much as the first time.

NicholasV · 12-01-2011, 03:05 PM

I think you have trouble understanding plots from what I see. You just look for excuses to justify this type of hoarding, probably because it describes you too much.

No one is gonna cycle through re-reading a houseful of books. If that was the case, how would you get to a houseful in the first place?

DiapDealer · 12-01-2011, 03:29 PM

Hey Nicholas. How 'bout you ease up a tad on the armchair psychoanalysis of people based on a few sentences they've written?

rhadin · 12-01-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Because my house became full of books - double-stacked shelves on every available wall. To buy more books I would have had to buy a larger house. For me personally, eBooks are worth FAR more than paper books, because I can store an essentially unlimited number of them on an external drive the size of a pack of playing cards. Naturally I remove the DRM as soon as I buy a book (and I typically buy 4 or 5 books a week).

Harry, what you meant to say then is that ebooks are more valuable to you, not that they are more valuable. the "to you" is an important qualifier. I buy a lot of ebooks (currently have more than 500 in my TBR pile) but I only buy in ebook form either a book I'm not interested in keeping once I have read it or a book I have bought the hardcover version of but want the convenience of reading in ebook form (I buy very few for this latter purpose, perhaps 3 or 4 in a year).

To me, although I have the same shelf problem you have, ebooks are significantly less valuable because I have no intent of keeping them once read.

DustyDisks · 12-01-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NicholasV

I think you have trouble understanding plots from what I see. You just look for excuses to justify this type of hoarding, probably because it describes you too much.

No one is gonna cycle through re-reading a houseful of books. If that was the case, how would you get to a houseful in the first place?

The word "hoarding" is interesting and means different things to different people. I had a wife that believed that saving money was "hoarding" and credit was good, and want to spend it instead!

Did I mention x-wife?

Sorry for being a tad,

Daithi · 12-01-2011, 04:20 PM

I believe the ebooks and physical books both have their pros and cons. However, from a pricing standpoint I also believe the ebook should be cheaper than the lowest cost physical version available as a new book (as opposed to competing against used books). I believe it should be cheaper for the same reason that paperbacks are cheaper than hardbacks --

1) The paperback is cheaper to produce than the hardback.
2) The paperback is priced lower because time has passed since the initial release and the lower price entices new sales.

Both these reasons apply to ebooks as well, and ebooks are even cheaper to produce than paperbacks. Ebooks do not have printing costs, negligible distribution costs, and publishers don't have to pay for "returns" (unsold books), which is a huge cost of physical books -- some estimates have 1/3 of books "sold" being returned to the publishers. So, publishers could set the price of ebooks at exactly the same price of their lowest physical book, and then discount the ebook price by the costs incurred by printing, distribution, and having to refund the purchase of 1/3 of the books sold. They would still make the same profit as they are making on physical books. However, even then the ebook would have a higher "profit margin" than the cheapest paperback because the ebook cost less to produce.

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12-01-2011, 01:53 PM	#38
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	If I had a nickel for every ebook I've passed over because of too high pricing .... well I'd be able to afford Agency Pricing I guess.

12-01-2011, 03:05 PM	#41
NicholasV Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 13944 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dover, NJ Device: Nook Touch, (ex)Kindle 3	I think you have trouble understanding plots from what I see. You just look for excuses to justify this type of hoarding, probably because it describes you too much. No one is gonna cycle through re-reading a houseful of books. If that was the case, how would you get to a houseful in the first place?

12-01-2011, 03:29 PM	#42
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,570 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Hey Nicholas. How 'bout you ease up a tad on the armchair psychoanalysis of people based on a few sentences they've written?

12-01-2011, 04:20 PM	#45
Daithi Publishers are evil! Posts: 2,418 Karma: 36205264 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Various Kindles	I believe the ebooks and physical books both have their pros and cons. However, from a pricing standpoint I also believe the ebook should be cheaper than the lowest cost physical version available as a new book (as opposed to competing against used books). I believe it should be cheaper for the same reason that paperbacks are cheaper than hardbacks -- 1) The paperback is cheaper to produce than the hardback. 2) The paperback is priced lower because time has passed since the initial release and the lower price entices new sales. Both these reasons apply to ebooks as well, and ebooks are even cheaper to produce than paperbacks. Ebooks do not have printing costs, negligible distribution costs, and publishers don't have to pay for "returns" (unsold books), which is a huge cost of physical books -- some estimates have 1/3 of books "sold" being returned to the publishers. So, publishers could set the price of ebooks at exactly the same price of their lowest physical book, and then discount the ebook price by the costs incurred by printing, distribution, and having to refund the purchase of 1/3 of the books sold. They would still make the same profit as they are making on physical books. However, even then the ebook would have a higher "profit margin" than the cheapest paperback because the ebook cost less to produce.