New Nook Tablet Official News

[covfam]

nope amazon did not come into my town and undercut the only grocery store, undercut our towns only auto service shop, undercut our only optometrist,undercut our nursery, undercut our only florist, undercut our only pharmacy, undercust our only craft shop, undercut our only "electronics & cell phone shop" undercut our most of our towns hair salons. amazon has done none of that but 4 years ago when the superwalmart moved in just outside the city limits because it was blocked by the city.. it basicly kille all commerce downtown.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by covfam

nope amazon did not come into my town and undercut the only grocery store, undercut our towns only auto service shop, undercut our only optometrist,undercut our nursery, undercut our only florist, undercut our only pharmacy, undercust our only craft shop, undercut our only "electronics & cell phone shop" undercut our most of our towns hair salons. amazon has done none of that but 4 years ago when the superwalmart moved in just outside the city limits because it was blocked by the city.. it basicly kille all commerce downtown.

Walmart can't succeed unless shoppers enable them.

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by wodin

Uhh, isn't that $79/YEAR?

*Edited because I did accidentally say monthly.* The point remains, to get the FULL Fire experience you need to factor in the cost of Prime. If you don't have Prime and have to buy it when you buy your Fire, you can add that on to the price. Wow, I'm learning here pretty quickly that it's ok to bash B&N but no one better breathe a bad word about Amazon... sheesh.

[howyoudoin]

You did say it was $79 per month.

[covfam]

Originally Posted by Grimm

I never said it was monthly. All I said was to get the FULL Fire experience you need to factor in the cost of Prime. If you don't have Prime and have to buy it when you buy your FIre, you can add that on to the price. Settle down. Wow, I'm learning here pretty quickly that it's ok to bash B&N but no one better breathe a bad word about Amazon... sheesh.

grim just to be safe just bash apple

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by howyoudoin

You did say it was $79 per month.

You are correct, I checked and corrected it.

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by covfam

grim just to be safe just bash apple

Thing is, I'm not "bashing" anything, I think the Fire is a great device, but it IS true that to get the full Fire experience you NEED Prime, which does cost more. If you don't have it and you buy it, that adds another $79 dollars into the total. Not sure why pointing that out is frowned upon. Saying anything bad about anything Kindle related here is like saying you prefer Microsoft to Apple in a Starbucks.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Grimm

Wow, I'm learning here pretty quickly that it's ok to bash B&N but no one better breathe a bad word about Amazon... sheesh.

I'm an equal opportunity bad mouther. I slam 'em all at one time or another.

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

I'm an equal opportunity bad mouther. I slam 'em all at one time or another.

Hey roll eyes if ya must but it's true, just seems Amazon is off limits here. I should probably be quiet or I'll get the boswd treatment.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Grimm

Hey roll eyes if ya must but it's true, just seems Amazon is off limits here. I should probably be quiet or I'll get the boswd treatment.

I hear ya.

[SleepyBob]

Originally Posted by Grimm

Thing is, I'm not "bashing" anything, I think the Fire is a great device, but it IS true that to get the full Fire experience you NEED Prime, which does cost more.

I don't know - yes, I understand that if you have Prime, then there are additional features that you have access to, but that's awfully close to saying that to get the full Nook experience you NEED Netflix.

ETA: Or that you NEED a subscription to Grooveshark to get the full Nook Tablet experience, since they are available on the Nook, but not on the Fire.

[tomsem]

It's interesting how much of the Fire v. Nook Tablet discussion is about on-device storage, and in particular storage needed for video content. It's irrelevant when one is talking about streaming video, and for all intents and purposes the two devices are The Same on that account (Hulu+ notwithstanding). Even purchased Amazon video content is streaming video, there is nothing to download (well. perhaps we'll discover that you can 'pin' video so it is cached on the device—but there's been no mention of that capability). Only Apple offers paid content that you can download and view with iTunes or an iOS device when off-line. But they have not seen fit to release iTunes for Android for some reason.

In terms of storage, obviously, if you are one of those strange people who have the time and determination to rip DVDs and maintain a library of digital content that is locally accessible, Nook Tablet is the way to go. But I would point out that the vast majority of people, including myself, don't fall into that category. It requires additional capital investment and most expensive of all, time.

As someone who has pre-ordered Fire, and has Netflix and Prime streaming, I probably will watch the occasional streamed video on it when travelling (at home there are bigger screens and people to watch them with). That is, when wifi is free and willing (however, free wifi in motels is an increasingly dicey proposition, I am finding). But I've had this capability with my iPod and now Xoom for awhile and have not done much of this. There are too many books to read.

But I am somewhat concerned about storage for Apps on the Fire. Ironically, while Amazon Appstore has several times more apps than Nook App Store, and has the whole 'free App of the day' thing, it has less than half the storage for said apps. Apps can't be streamed, they have to be local, and most apps have some sort of data that goes away if you uninstall them to make room for something else. That is where I think Amazon has miscalculated, and sold their own Appstore short (unless they have devised some way archive apps along with their data, which seems doubtful). I have been using my iPod Touch for over a year and have about 5GB worth of apps on there that I run at least occasionally (of probably 10GB overall, which I don't keep on the device). On Fire I will have to be more selective about what I install. On the whole, however, I'd rather save $50 now that I can spend on the next thing.

B&N really should get think about getting their app in the Amazon App store. Kobo is there, and there are a couple of apps that can read books purchased from B&N, but why not 'Occupy' Kindle Fire?

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by tomsem

In terms of storage, obviously, if you are one of those strange people who have the time and determination to rip DVDs and maintain a library of digital content that is locally accessible, Nook Tablet is the way to go. But I would point out that the vast majority of people, including myself, don't fall into that category. It requires additional capital investment and most expensive of all, time.

What additional capital investment?

Ripping DVDs is no different than ripping CDs. At one time I carried CDs around on vacation, then MP3 players appeared and that ended. Then I carried DVDs on vacation and that ended with my tablet.

I converted my CD collection and will soon have my DVD collection converted. DVDs will soon go the way of CDs, VHS, cassette, 8-track, reel-to-reel, and vinyl. It's a dying format.

[LoganK]

Originally Posted by tomsem

Only Apple offers paid content that you can download and view with iTunes or an iOS device when off-line.

That's not true. Amazon also offers paid content you can download, but, as yet, there are no mobile devices (assuming you don't count laptops) that support this feature.

Originally Posted by tomsem

But I am somewhat concerned about storage for Apps on the Fire.

Android does not prevent applications from being installed in the user's space, so, Amazon allowing, you could install 5GB of applications, 1GB of content, and stream the rest of your content. It's not completely out of the question...

[jocampo]

To be fair, New Color will provide access to Hulu and Netflix, if I'm not mistaken. Now, let's do some calculations.

Basic Netflix subscription is about 9 bucks (monthly) and Hulu is about the same. Assuming people got both, will be paying almost 20 bucks per month, after a year is a bit more of $216.

Let's say a user only subscribe to Netflix, that $108 per year, without access to most recent movies or TV shows. Still, about 30 dollars more than being a Prime member.

I don't see how (for movies at least) the B&N device can provide a better value.

However, at least for movies or multimedia content, a Kindle fire user will be tied up to Amazon. So that's kind of a disadvantage, less freedom I think.

For the records: I'm Netflix user as well.