STUDY SHOWS: Ditching DRM could reduce piracy, prices

[ScalyFreak]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

It's good to know that books have now achieved the same important status as food.

They have? When did we downgrade them?

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

They have? When did we downgrade them?

Good point! All this BS reminded me of my mom, lol. I used to beg for extra books/toys and her reply was always "Can you eat those books? Can you live in that toy?"

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

No, it doesn't.

Can we drop this now and go back to discussing DRM with people who possess basic reading comprehension, please? The exit is right behind you, just start walking backwards and someone will open it for you and close it after you leave.

You seemed so concerned about insults a couple of posts ago.

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

No, she just knows her friends and knows how they've acted in the past, and has modified her own behavior to avoid causing unnecessary conflicts with her friends. That doesn't mean that anyone is being judged.

And from that moment on she didn't make any new friends free from behavior of the old ones?

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

What is wrong with you people and your custom definitions of words whenever the real definition doesn't help you make your point?

We can get to a dictionary:
judge: To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
MrsJoseph estimated of after careful consideration that her friends wouldn't return borrowed books. That means that she judged them.

On topic:
The article from the OP doesn't say much. I've actually seen more on TorrentFreak. One of these things is that the study will be published in a paper called: “Music Downloads and the Flip Side of Digital Rights Management Protection”, so I guess that it doesn't relate directly to ebooks since it's pretty much about music.
They do have a nice logo:

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

And from that moment on she didn't make any new friends free from behavior of the old ones?


We can get to a dictionary:
judge: To form an opinion or estimation of after careful consideration: judge heights; judging character.
MrsJoseph estimated of after careful consideration that her friends wouldn't return borrowed books. That means that she judged them.

It's good to know that I rank so highly to you that you persist in being so very concerned about my friends and what I do with them. It's also very good to know that YOU know me so very well that YOU can state - without a shadow of a doubt - what I do.

Yeah, really really good to know.

Please, oh great swami, tell me something else about myself that only a stranger like you who has never set eyes on me can know.

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

A lot of you are missing out on the pleasure of being generous.

You seem to be missing out on the pleasure of reading comprehension. I believe most of us who have said we will not share books have said that we will, however, GIVE books--or money, or whatever--to other people. I think giving something outright is generous, but somehow you've decided that giving is an indication of miserliness.

[kjk]

Originally Posted by Catlady

You seem to be missing out on the pleasure of reading comprehension. I believe most of us who have said we will not share books have said that we will, however, GIVE books--or money, or whatever--to other people. I think giving something outright is generous, but somehow you've decided that giving is an indication of miserliness.

Yes. I have no problem buying and giving books, music, games, etc. to friends and family. I just am not going to give them the ones I bought for myself, esp. if they are digital.

One thing about the App Store that I love is that you can gift people apps that you like and enjoy-all you need is an email address.

[ekster]

See what DRM does people? It makes us fight among ourselves! DRM is evil.

Not only does it restrict the use of reading for people who buy it, while only giving a mild annoyance to any pirate that wants to crack it to share it... but it also splits us up and makes us fight each other!

It's pure evil that needs to be exorcised!

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Catlady

You seem to be missing out on the pleasure of reading comprehension. I believe most of us who have said we will not share books have said that we will, however, GIVE books--or money, or whatever--to other people. I think giving something outright is generous, but somehow you've decided that giving is an indication of miserliness.

Come on, now. You can't expect reading comprehension on a site dedicated to reading, can you??!

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

And from that moment on she didn't make any new friends free from behavior of the old ones?

In my case, it means that I realized loaning books and then worrying about them and how or when or if they would be returned, was something that could be damaging to a friendship, and therefore it was something I should avoid doing. It has nothing to do with the behavior of others or with my expectations of their behavior--it's my own obsessive reaction that I am controlling by changing my own behavior. If it makes me nuts to lend a book, I won't lend the book. Simple.

[ScalyFreak]

Originally Posted by ekster

See what DRM does people? It makes us fight among ourselves!

Bah. I need no such puny excuses!

The thing with DRM on eBooks,as compared to music, movies and games, is that eBooks are comparatively new. The publishers haven't figured out how to do it yet... DRM in the other three I mentioned was garbage and stupid when they started experimenting with it as well.

That and, as has been mentioned before, gamers are used to not being able to freely share and borrow games with friends, while we are very used to doing so with books. It's more of a culture shock not to be able to do it with an eBook than with a digital game copy.

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by afa

Um... That was my point, too.

And for the record, I don't maintain an actual "ignore list". I just ignore.


I assume, though, that somewhere down the line the ebook had been purchased. I get the sense that this is how the pirate community works. Someone will buy something and then share it, and they'll do so knowing others are doing the same. It's sort of a "what goes around, comes around" kind of thing.


Again, that was my point as well. I'm really not sure why you took exception to my post, since it seems we actually agree on this topic.

I wasn't taking exception to your post. In fact the reference to the ignore
list was more to the fact that we share that point, it was just that I thought
that I had been making it a number of times since page one of this thread. I
guess it was an expression of frustration on my part, for my lack of impact
with those earlier posts.

To the extent that there may be a "pirate community" I guess what they
would strive to be, would be the kind of real pirates that are able to create
ebooks from very popular books prior to their release in pbook form. Once
a viable copy is out there it gets spread around and there is little incentive
for a real Pirate to duplicate what another pirate has done. It would make
sense, to us, to wait until the official ebook release then remove the DRM,
to do our Piracy, but by that time there would be some other Pirate gloating
over their much earlier booty.

The Harry Potter series has not yet been released in ebook form and yet
they have been available on the net for years.

Sorry, for any misunderstanding.

Luck;
Ken

[dreams]

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[kennyc]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

Good point! All this BS reminded me of my mom, lol. I used to beg for extra books/toys and her reply was always "Can you eat those books? Can you live in that toy?"

Silly mom!

[ScalyFreak]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

The Harry Potter series has not yet been released in ebook form and yet they have been available on the net for years.

And that raises a few interesting questions: Since it wasn't available in eBook form, did the first person that scanned the book in order to create an electronic copy, break/violate the "DRM" of their paper book? Since no eBook sales were lost, on account of them not being offered, is it still wrong to convert the books to a format easier for the owner to use? And if that was wrong, where does that leave the text-to-speak features of so many eReading devices today?

[Ken Maltby]

I'm still waiting for the "Pro DRM" reply to my questions at:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=621

Did I miss it in the 38 posts since then?

Luck;
Ken