STUDY SHOWS: Ditching DRM could reduce piracy, prices

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by Fbone

I thought with the Nook you can enter the credit card info once and all other B&N ebooks will open automatically?
If so, can you take their nook, enter your credit card number yourself, and hand it back to them?

My thoughts are if I will risk my life for certain family and friends then they can have my credit card number.

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=547

This thread is getting so big we need internal hyperlinks!

As you can see you need not ever give the user of the device your CC#. Once
you have "initialized" the device, the unreadable hash code is used to open any
ebooks that need that unlocking data.

With Amazon they have your computer, and the few devices they allot to
your account - then all your ebook purchases; tied together through their
(Amazon's) server. The info on their server establishes whether the ebook
you purchased from them can be read on your device, and it only allows
that for the listed "authorized" devices for your account, as maintained on
their server. (I think it was 5 devices when they started, don't know if that
is still the number, now a days.)

Luck;
Ken

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

With Amazon they have your computer, and the few devices they allot to your account - then all your ebook purchases; tied together through their (Amazon's) server. The info on their server establishes whether the ebook you purchased from them can be read on your device, and it only allows that for the listed "authorized" devices for your account, as maintained on their server. (I think it was 5 devices when they started, don't know if that is still the number, now a days.)

You can have as many devices/apps registered to your account as you want. The limitations on most of Amazon's purchases (unless otherwise specified) is that you can only have the book on six of your registered devices/apps simultaneously. So once an ebook is downloaded to six devices/apps, you'll have to delete it on one of them before you can download it to a new device/app.

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by kennyc

It requires the Card Security Code
doesn't require a Pin Number...

Originally Posted by rdfry

Yes you only need to enter it once. To counter these people who can't trust their
siblings or parents with their credit card information a single purpose debit card works just as well.

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=547

This thread is getting so big we need internal hyperlinks!

As you can see you need not ever give the user of the device your CC#. Once you have "initialized" the device, the unreadable hash code is used to open any ebooks that need that unlocking data.
Luck;
Ken

Thanks for everyone's responses. Since others do not need to know your physical credit card info to read B&N's ebooks. I fail to understand why so many are opposed to sharing them to family and friends.

[kennyc]

I think you missed the point....

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Thanks for everyone's responses. Since others do not need to know your physical credit card info to read B&N's ebooks. I fail to understand why so many are opposed to sharing them to family and friends.

As Kenny C has noted you totally missed the point.

I personally have no objection to providing for those actually dependent
on me. In fact most ebooks that I would be providing a dependent would
be ebooks purchased especially for that dependent. In most cases though
I would be providing Classics that are available free.

Once a certian level of maturity is reached though, I would rather that they
develop an increasing level of self-reliance and would help them acquire the
skills to find and purchase ebooks that they can afford.

As a long retired enlisted man, almost all my friends have higher incomes
than I do, so they can better afford to buy what they need to support their
own forms of entertainment. (Oddly, none of them are inclined to give ME
any ebooks, either.)

Luck;
Ken

[Ken Maltby]

A few questions for you DRM supporters:

Do you have friends who read ebooks?

How many of your friends are giving you ebook files?

If any actually gave you an ebook was it one that you would have
purchased yourself?

If you are a writer have you ever pushed off your efforts onto others for free?
If so, did you put some DRM on it first? If not, why not?

Do you really believe anyone who tells you "x" number of sales were lost to "casual
piracy"? Also, that "x" number more sales would have been lost if there no DRM on
your ebook? Do you think anyone really knows how often your ebook might have
been "casually" shared? (You do realize that to "casually share" an ebook it would
have been purchased first?)

Do you think DRM stops actual Piracy (placing an ebook on the internet for free
distribution)? If so, how do you explain books being available, as ebooks, on the
internet, long before any official ebook w/DRM is released? (i.e. The Harry Potter
Series)

These should be easy questions for you to answer, I eagerly await your replies.

Luck;
Ken

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

alas not all of theirs.

But enough of some of the BIG names: Eschbach, Gablé, Cornwell, David Weber

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

As Kenny C has noted you totally missed the point.

I personally have no objection to providing for those actually dependent
on me. In fact most ebooks that I would be providing a dependent would
be ebooks purchased especially for that dependent. In most cases though
I would be providing Classics that are available free.

Luck;
Ken

I have? What point do you think I was trying to make?

[afa]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

I'm pretty sure, now, that I must be on "afa"s ignore list. It has been my
contention that it goes against human nature to spend your own money to
provide for others, who just want something for free.

Um... That was my point, too.

And for the record, I don't maintain an actual "ignore list". I just ignore.

So there are very few who would be giving away ebooks that they have purchased.

I assume, though, that somewhere down the line the ebook had been purchased. I get the sense that this is how the pirate community works. Someone will buy something and then share it, and they'll do so knowing others are doing the same. It's sort of a "what goes around, comes around" kind of thing.

You want books? Go buy your own.

Again, that was my point as well. I'm really not sure why you took exception to my post, since it seems we actually agree on this topic.

[Thasaidon]

Re your signature Afa - to quote Olver Cromwell

"i beseech you in the bowels of christ think it possible you may be mistaken.”

In a letter to the general assembly of the Church of Scotland. 1650.

[afa]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

""miserly" - unwilling to... share resources with those in need."

I got to call it the way I see it. There are people here that are miserly and proud of it! Some people see claiming to be miserly as a badge of honor!

by their own admission-

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556 Mrsjoseph
557 kennyc (agreeing)
558 afa
559 Ken Maltby
579 xg4bx
580 cfrizz
587 jersysman

You are quite the dummy, aren't you?

Firstly, as others have pointed out, your definition of miserly doesn't tally with your view on sharing ebooks, as you'd be hard pressed to claim that this is an example of someone "in need".

Secondly, it's quite clear that you are fond of passing judgement on others without even bothering to understand the context of their opinions. Sure, go ahead and excuse it by saying that you call it like you see it; by the same token, you will surely not object to my calling you a dummy, since that's how I see it.

The point of my post wasn't to discourage anyone from being neighborly or a good friend. It was that I am not willing to be a sap for people who are intent on being free-loaders.

To take your 'car ride' example - As it so happens, I have a friend who until recently did not have a car; so, for the better part of the last 10 years, I regularly give him rides to and from his house when we would meet up on the weekend or whatever. And I did so gladly, because he is a good friend and I don't mind. And also because I know that, should the situation occur, he would gladly do the same for me. It would be entirely different, however, if he did have a car, but chose not to drive it because petrol is expensive. Last time I checked, money didn't grow on trees for either of us. Luckily, I have better friends than that, so it is not a situation that I have had to deal with.

I have no problem with being a friend, or sharing, or doing favors. But I do have a problem with the idea that someone would take advantage of my friendship for personal gain (in the case of ebooks, saving money). If that makes me "miserly" then so be it. Yes, I am quite proud of my position on the matter.

You might flatter yourself that always sharing your purchases with others makes you wonderful human being. And I would contend that if you do let people selfishly use you as a free source of material on a regular basis, then you are a gullible fool.

[afa]

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

Re your signature Afa - to quote Olver Cromwell

"i beseech you in the bowels of christ think it possible you may be mistaken.”

In a letter to the general assembly of the Church of Scotland. 1650.

I would, frankly, rather not be anywhere close to Christ's internal organs. Or anyone else's for that matter.

Regarding my signature - don't worry, I'm more than amenable to the idea that I do not know all. It's meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

No, thank you. I like the friends I have just fine.

You just think that they would borrow something from you and never return it.

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

Wouldn't it be nice if life and people were that simple and uncomplicated?

Life is that simple and uncomplicated.

Originally Posted by ScalyFreak

Does it strike anyone else as ironic that the majority of anti-DRM proponents in this thread are now being insulted as a group because they don't want to share their eBooks?

What was the insult?

[MrsJoseph]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

You just think that they would borrow something from you and never return it.

Yes. I know that my friends would borrow books and not return them. Or return them with cracks in the spine, dog-eared pages, cracked covers, dings on the cover or any number of issues I would take exception to. Is this a problem? Not for me because I don't lead my books to anyone. I think it's quite silly for me to assume that because I am a book hoarder and a very cautious about my personal belongings to expect all my friends to be and act the same. Almost all of you here are just as fanatical about books as I am and I wouldn't lend you a book, either.

...and I think it's just getting beyond the pale for you (or anyone else for that matter) to sit judgement on someone (or their friends) because YOU don't like how I interact with them. Get over it. I don't lend my books to anyone. I don't feel the slightest bit of shame about it or any desire to change the situation. My friends prefer this because I will kirk the [language edit] out on them if they mess up my books so it works best for everyone that they don't touch my books.

Like I said, get over it. The world won't end and nobody will die if they can't get into my library collection. It's not bread and water or the elixir of life we're talking about here...it's the latest release in the Dresden Files. Sheesh.

And in case I didn't make it very clear. These are the house rules:

You put your dirty little paws on my books and you draw back a nub. The answer is and always will be NO.

[ScalyFreak]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

What was the insult?

That we're selfish, small-minded, and paranoid. Duh.

"Miserly" was the actual word that was used, I believe.