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Old 10-18-2011, 07:20 PM   #481
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If that is the ratio, then the typical users would be the sophisticated users, typical being the most common user.

Beside that this is also a matter of time. How many people that have been reading ebooks for lets say 5 years could be described by the definition that you gave for TU? How many that are TU today will be SU next year? How many of them don't know somebody that can do the sophisticated work for them?
I was a TU over a year ago when I first got my Sony, but before I purchased I became a member here to do my research. I was one of those who couldn't understand the big tado over drm, didn't know about Calibre, coverting formats, etc.

Now here we are closing in on two years, and I now have Calibre installed, detest drm with a passion, and now know how to strip it in order to keep my books.

I'm a 50 year old woman, who values her books & the money she has invested in them, who slowly but surely has changed her mind about drm, and was willing to learn how to circumvent it to keep her investment in her books. I don't share them, not interested in uploading them.
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Except when the seller or DRM provider go out of business. Then it's the same ol' krap. You can't access your books and can't transfer them to another device.
That epiphany asteroid is still coming along Kenny. Maybe they might stick their heads out of the cave to see what the commotion is, but that would be doubtful...

Removing DRM from ebooks in a pretty simple and painless process in the main, once you learn how the procedure works. Google assists greatly and armed with Alf in a Can, de-lousing is an instant operation after purchase of an ebook.

Everyone I know is quite dextrous with said can, including my mostly computer illiterate sister, who still refers to her computer as "the hard drive"
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That epiphany asteroid is still coming along Kenny. Maybe they might stick their heads out of the cave to see what the commotion is, but that would be doubtful...

Removing DRM from ebooks in a pretty simple and painless process in the main, once you learn how the procedure works. Google assists greatly and armed with Alf in a Can, de-lousing is an instant operation after purchase of an ebook.

Everyone I know is quite dextrous with said can, including my mostly computer illiterate sister, who still refers to her computer as "the hard drive"
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That sure sounds like DRM has an impact on the average consumer (higher prices, tethered to a single company...etc). Many of them don't realize they're being impacted, but they certainly are.
I think that DRM plus the DMCA keeps ebook prices higher than they might otherwise be. If the DMCA were not around, I think that DRM might have some marginal effect on prices, but only marginally because users would be able to buy DRM stripping software legitimately.

That's why I think that the purpose of DRM is not to prevent piracy.
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Except I want all my books accessible on the same reader. I don't want to have to remember that I bought this book for a Kindle and that book for a Nook. It would be as silly and confusing as having to organize my library of paper books by which seller they came from.
I organize mine by location. Kind of like I used to keep different books I was reading at different places.

And I also segregate my reading - i.e., different genres go on different EBRs. In fact, I find that I use my KDX to read articles & pdfs, but not books at all.
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Where else can you buy a DRM'd title for the Kindle other than from Amazon? The only DRM they support is their own, right?
Yes, that's true, but that doesn't mean that you can only get books from Amazon, of course. There are many sources for DRM-free Mobipocket books, which the Kindle can read absolutely fine. I buy lots of books for my Kindle from Baen, for example.
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As prices go down, the ratio is likely to go up. Eventually, EBRs will be sufficiently cheap that DRM and file formats will be irrelevant. The technical stuff will become invisible to the normal end user, just as has happened with the Apple OS.
I don't think so. One of the good things about ereaders is the fact that you can have all of your books on one device. Realizing when you travel that the book you wanted to read is on the reader left at home wouldn't be much fun.
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I don't think so. One of the good things about ereaders is the fact that you can have all of your books on one device. Realizing when you travel that the book you wanted to read is on the reader left at home wouldn't be much fun.
That's what the "cloud" and syncing across devices is for.
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That's what the "cloud" and syncing across devices is for.
Harmon was saying that people would be able to get more devices and not worry about DRM and the fact that not all the books will be read by the same device. So the "cloud" and syncing wouldn't help.
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Works for me -- DroidX, Xoom, Kindle2, PC....and soon to include my Kindle Fire.
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Dang it!!!! Yall stop getting my hopes up, lol! I really really really want an ecopy of this book but none of these links are working. It looks like it was available at one time but all of them have been pulled. Maybe it was a 1984-like situation with a non-authorized copy? Rights reverting back to the author? What happened???
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Dang it!!!! Yall stop getting my hopes up, lol! I really really really want an ecopy of this book but none of these links are working. It looks like it was available at one time but all of them have been pulled. Maybe it was a 1984-like situation with a non-authorized copy? Rights reverting back to the author? What happened???
"Maybe the old ones have been pulled in preparation for the new, fantastic, overhauled version due out any time?" said Mr. Optimism.

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