STUDY SHOWS: Ditching DRM could reduce piracy, prices

[frahse]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

Yeah, for me that's the biggest thing. I hate when companies try and tell me what I can and cannot do after I've bought the product. After I've bought something, it should be mine to do with what ever I want, as long as it is legal.

Was that a Freudian Slip?

Or just a little confusion?

[frahse]

Originally Posted by kennyc

That's not my problem. The music and video industry have gotten beyond it, the book industry must do the same.

Originally Posted by stonetools

THe music industry has gotten beyond it by shrinking to less than half its former size. Is that your solution for the book industry? ( The movie industry still DRMS its products).

" Not my problem" eh? Your empathy is touching. "I've got mine, f**k you" isn't a very convincing argument .

kennyc isn't necessarily meaning to be careless with his facts, it is that his enthusiasm for justifying his (hmmm, call them,) actions gets away from him.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Which is exactly opposite of Peace, Love and the American way of innocent until proven guilty.

This is really the core of the issue, the presumption of guilt and the lack of respect and trust.

I am curious. Do you have locks on your home, on your cars? Do you use those locks?

Do you actually use PASSWORDS??

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by frahse

kennyc isn't necessarily meaning to be careless with his facts, it is that his enthusiasm for justifying his (hmmm, call them,) actions gets away from him.

Speak for yourself, not for me.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by frahse

I am curious. Do you have locks on your home, on your cars? Do you use those locks?

Do you actually use PASSWORDS??

Wrong comparison. Keep listening you might learn something.
You might want to start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

[frahse]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Your argument has NOTHING to do with authors and EVERYTHING to do with the dinosaurs of the publishing business. They will change or they will end up just like the dinosaurs. Tell them.

I have to differ with you ken. The authors want protection, though some of them when they are trying to cajole a potential buying audience into a purchase, might agree with anything the potential buyers say.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by frahse

I have to differ with you ken. The authors want protection, though some of them when they are trying to cajole a potential buying audience into a purchase, might agree with anything the potential buyers say.

You are wrong. Re-read what I wrote and try a little comprehension.

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by frahse

I have to differ with you ken. The authors want protection, though some of them when they are trying to cajole a potential buying audience into a purchase, might agree with anything the potential buyers say.

I am still waiting for that list of ebooks that haven't been pirated (made
available for free on the internet) because of the "protection" provided by
DRM. Of course there are plenty of books that aren't pirated because no
one thinks they would be worth the effort. It would have to be some book
that most of us have heard of.

Perhaps you could start with the Harry Potter Series, they had the best
DRM possible, they were never released as e-books. Oh wait, they were
pirated!

Luck;
Ken

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Ken Maltby

I am still waiting for that list of ebooks that haven't been pirated (made
available for free on the internet) because of the "protection" provided by
DRM. Of course there are plenty of books that aren't pirated because no
one thinks they would be worth the effort. It would have to be some book
that most of us have heard of.

Perhaps you could start with the Harry Potter Series, they had the best
DRM possible, they were never released as e-books. Oh wait, they were
pirated!

Luck;
Ken

No! How could it be???

[cfrizz]

The bottom line for me and most readers is this.

If I buy your book, I expect to keep it for as long as I want to and to put it on ANY/ALL readers, or tablets that I have now and in the future. If it has drm, I'm going to strip it off so that I can put it on any readers/tablets that I have now & in the future. I have NO intentions of sharing it, uploading it, or selling it. It is MY own personal copy that I intend to keep for ME ALONE! This is the same way I treat my paper books.

Nor do I intend to rebuy the damn book should I change to a different reader. aka Apple/Amazon.

If I'm not interested in your book, I'm not going to buy it, pirate it, upload it, or do anything else with it since I'm not interested in it.

As far as I'm concerned these are MY rights as the legal, rightful owner of this legally purchased book.

If you disagree with this...too damn bad because "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!"

And there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do to me for it.

Ken & Catlady, terrific posts & right on the money!

[Arithonne]

Actually,there is just as much a shortage of data on your side as well.What are your figures showing that offering books DRM free would not cause massive losses to publishers and major authors?

Baen has been offering ebooks DRM free for over ten years now. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that if they were losing money because of it they'd have stopped by now or gone bankrupt.

[frahse]

Originally Posted by cfrizz

The bottom line for me and most readers is this.

If I buy your book, I expect to keep it for as long as I want to and to put it on ANY/ALL readers, or tablets that I have now and in the future. If it has drm, I'm going to strip it off so that I can put it on any readers/tablets that I have now & in the future. I have NO intentions of sharing it, uploading it, or selling it. It is MY own personal copy that I intend to keep for ME ALONE! This is the same way I treat my paper books.

Nor do I intend to rebuy the damn book should I change to a different reader. aka Apple/Amazon.

If I'm not interested in your book, I'm not going to buy it, pirate it, upload it, or do anything else with it since I'm not interested in it.

As far as I'm concerned these are MY rights as the legal, rightful owner of this legally purchased book.

If you disagree with this...too damn bad because "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn!"

And there is absolutely NOTHING anyone can do to me for it.

Ken & Catlady, terrific posts & right on the money!

Well, there you have it folks. cfrizz is standing tall and proud about his actions, as are many others. I wonder if when misdeeds are done to them, do they just laugh and say "well, I would have done it myself, given the chance." (Actually, we all know that is not so.)

But the real quandary I have is if these people are so adamant that what they are doing is right, and so easy, and at least in cfrizz's case, daring someone to do something about it, why then are they complaining so mightily in outrage, whining and blaming the Sellers, Publishers, and Authors for causing them so much trouble, and even accusing the Sellers, Publishers and Authors of painting them in a bad light.

Maybe the truth is that DRM works. It keeps pilferage down. The evidence is plain if you listen to the caterwauling on this thread. These people are hurting.

I feel a little safer.

[wvcherrybomb]

I am so beyond caring what is legal or what is ethical.

When I first got my ereader, I bought all my books then removed the DRM. At some point, I got sick and tired of updating the DRM removal software every five minutes. I also got fed up with ongoing issues removing Amazon's PITA DRM that is on many books... it's been so long, that I forget what it's even called (Topaz?)

Now I get my books where I know they are free of conditions. If the day ever comes when books I buy on Amazon are no strings attached, they will get all of my business.

All of my books are shared between myself and my two grown daughters. I consider this reasonable as that is what what happens with paper books. Until publishers will give me the right to do that with my books, they won't be getting another dime from me.

[Ken Maltby]

Originally Posted by frahse

Well, there you have it folks. cfrizz is standing tall and proud about his actions, as are many others. I wonder if when misdeeds are done to them, do they just laugh and say "well, I would have done it myself, given the chance." (Actually, we all know that is not so.)

But the real quandary I have is if these people are so adamant that what they are doing is right, and so easy, and at least in cfrizz's case, daring someone to do something about it, why then are they complaining so mightily in outrage, whining and blaming the Sellers, Publishers, and Authors for causing them so much trouble, and even accusing the Sellers, Publishers and Authors of painting them in a bad light.

Maybe the truth is that DRM works. It keeps pilferage down. The evidence is plain if you listen to the caterwauling on this thread. These people are hurting.

I feel a little safer.

What "misdeeds" are you talking about? You imply someone is hurt by his
stated actions, who would that be? Are you admitting now that it is not
the "pilferage" that you view as theft but the simple act of removing the
DRM? There is nothing in his post that would suggest that he uploads or
even gives away a copy of the ebooks that he buys, in fact much of the
opposite.

Ken

[allinhi/]

Originally Posted by Catlady

I like the movie analogy, but I think they are using software licenses as a model as well. We've all accepted the idea that when we buy software we are really buying licenses to use the software on a specified number of computers.

The trouble is, we have a long history of using books very differently--we're used to sharing them and donating them and reselling them, and "they" tell us we can't do that, and pretend it's some great gift when they enable lending for a specified period--wow!

I think you have laid out the core issues well. Pure Digital media can potentially endure for a very long time and be shared very easilly. Books, taped media, records, even CDS are subject to loss or damage, and are more difficult to store. Any process must balance the parties economic and property rights. Right now DRM to severely limits legitimate purchaser rights without really protecting author and seller rights. When each party focuses on its needs and dismisses the others, (often from selfishness and greed), a better solution cannot even be discussed let alone found.