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howyoudoin · 10-04-2011, 11:58 AM

I think it'd be a good idea to change the "ABC's Kindle" text at the top to one's phone number "Call: 1234567890".

The contact details that can be entered in the settings menu are three pages deep, and if the lost Kindle is recovered by a person who is unfamiliar with the device, he might never see that page.

I know it looks tacky to put up the phone number on the home screen, but it might be a good idea for someone who travels with the kindle a lot and/or is prone to misplacing personal belongings.

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

When you call to report a lost/stolen Kindle they ask pretty specific questions about when you bought it, with what credit card, and account info. I found out my Mom's Kindle was lost when I checked my Kindle Page and noticed that her Kindle was not registered. I called to ask her if she had decided to open her own account and she told me that it was lost.

She had no way of deregistering it, she does not have access to my Amazon account, so someone had to be using it because they deregistered it.

Once I reported it missing, they deregistred it and removed the ability for it to use the 3G. The only way to get it turned back on would be able to provide specific information from my account.

Right.. of course, a disgruntled spouse, boyfriend or other gift giver could always call with that info too.

BOb

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 12:01 PM

All this is another reason to buy that $79 kindle. While loosing it would be a bummer... that's only a bit more than a tank of gas to replace.

BOb

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 12:03 PM

One of the Craig's List scams was for someone to sell a fully functional Kindle at a cut rate price. Then a couple of hours or days later the 3G/WiFi stops working and the user finds out that the Kindle was reported as stolen.

Either people reported it late or the seller was hoping to get the Kindle back and resell it. Rinse and Repeat.

There is always room for abuse but I prefer the small chance that disgruntled spouse or whatever over a thief or someone who picked up my lost Kindle using it.

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 12:18 PM

One change they could make is to require your amazon password to de-register a device from the device it self. This way, if someone found or stole a kindle the could not deregister it... once this is in place amazon could put into place the only someone that is the currently registered owner can blacklist the kindle.

Just an idea. I think the best idea is to keep good tabs on your kindle.

BOb

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

One change they could make is to require your amazon password to de-register a device from the device it self. This way, if someone found or stole a kindle the could not deregister it... once this is in place amazon could put into place the only someone that is the currently registered owner can blacklist the kindle.

Just an idea. I think the best idea is to keep good tabs on your kindle.

BOb

Agreed. But I love my Mom and she loves reading even though she is less sharp then she was 10 years ago. And I am not going to lose the licenses to the books on her DX because she lost it or it was stolen.

And sometimes stuff happens. Sometimes people lose stuff. It would be nice if people did the right thing and turned it in or called the numbers provided on the device or called Amazon. That doesn't happen and I am fine calling Amazon and bricking the lost/stolen item.

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Agreed. But I love my Mom and she loves reading even though she is less sharp then she was 10 years ago. And I am not going to lose the licenses to the books on her DX because she lost it or it was stolen.

You won't lose any licenses.

BOb

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 01:57 PM

If the books are on a Kindle, even one that has been deregistered, you lose the license. Otherwise, one person could put their one book on many, many Kindles, deregister them, and exceed the 6 license limit.

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

If the books are on a Kindle, even one that has been deregistered, you lose the license.

Where is this information stated?

BOb

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 02:11 PM

When you buy a book for the Kindle it tells you the number of licenses that come with the book. Once you have placed the book on a Kindle you have used one of the licenses.

There is some question if the license returns to fold when the book is removed from the device or not. I have known people who have had to call Amazon in order to get licenses back because they reached the max.

pilotbob · 10-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

When you buy a book for the Kindle it tells you the number of licenses that come with the book. Once you have placed the book on a Kindle you have used one of the licenses.

Sure, that I know.

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

There is some question if the license returns to fold when the book is removed from the device or not. I have known people who have had to call Amazon in order to get licenses back because they reached the max.

You are making an assumption that a license is tied to a device and it remains tied to that device even if the device is de-registered. I'm not saying this is wrong, I'm just asking where this is in the TOS?

I also notice the "number of devices" that used to be listed on Kindle books no longer seems to be there. At least not in the 5 or so books I just spot checked.

The current TOS that I see says:

Use of Digital Content. Upon your download of Digital Content and payment of any applicable fees (including applicable taxes), the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Digital Content an unlimited number of times, solely on the Kindle or a Reading Application or as otherwise permitted as part of the Service, solely on the number of Kindles or Other Devices specified in the Kindle Store, and solely for your personal, non-commercial use. Digital Content is licensed, not sold, to you by the Content Provider. The Content Provider may include additional terms for use within its Digital Content. Those terms will also apply, but this Agreement will govern in the event of a conflict. Some Digital Content, such as Periodicals, may not be available to you through Reading Applications.

BOb

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 03:33 PM

I have not looked in the terms of service. I have had friends who have gifted old Kindles and sold old Kindles who have run into the license problem. They have spent a few hours on the phone with CS having them reinstate licenses for books that had been on the sold or gifted units.

They had a lot of books so it took a while.

crich70 · 10-04-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I have not looked in the terms of service. I have had friends who have gifted old Kindles and sold old Kindles who have run into the license problem. They have spent a few hours on the phone with CS having them reinstate licenses for books that had been on the sold or gifted units.

They had a lot of books so it took a while.

Sounds like it might be another argument for people to strip the DRM off of books that they purchase if it is that big a headache to access books after changing Kindles.

FauxTaimer · 10-04-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

One of the Craig's List scams was for someone to sell a fully functional Kindle at a cut rate price. Then a couple of hours or days later the 3G/WiFi stops working and the user finds out that the Kindle was reported as stolen.

Either people reported it late or the seller was hoping to get the Kindle back and resell it. Rinse and Repeat.

There is always room for abuse but I prefer the small chance that disgruntled spouse or whatever over a thief or someone who picked up my lost Kindle using it.

Wait... so a Kindle owner can report a Kindle stolen and brick the unit even after they deregistered it from their account? So if I was to buy a used Kindle and have the owner deregister the Kindle off their Amazon account and I register that unit right away on my Amazon account, the owner can still claim it as stolen and brick my unit?

ProfCrash · 10-04-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FauxTaimer

Wait... so a Kindle owner can report a Kindle stolen and brick the unit even after they deregistered it from their account? So if I was to buy a used Kindle and have the owner deregister the Kindle off their Amazon account and I register that unit right away on my Amazon account, the owner can still claim it as stolen and brick my unit?

Yup. Which is why I would be very careful buying a used Kindle. I would buy a refurbed unit or a new unit or only from someone I really trust.

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10-04-2011, 11:58 AM	#61
howyoudoin how YOU doin? Posts: 1,100 Karma: 7371047 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: India Device: Kindle Keyboard, iPad Pro 10.5”, Kobo Aura H2O, Kobo Libra 2	I think it'd be a good idea to change the "ABC's Kindle" text at the top to one's phone number "Call: 1234567890". The contact details that can be entered in the settings menu are three pages deep, and if the lost Kindle is recovered by a person who is unfamiliar with the device, he might never see that page. I know it looks tacky to put up the phone number on the home screen, but it might be a good idea for someone who travels with the kindle a lot and/or is prone to misplacing personal belongings.

10-04-2011, 12:01 PM	#63
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	All this is another reason to buy that $79 kindle. While loosing it would be a bummer... that's only a bit more than a tank of gas to replace. BOb

10-04-2011, 12:03 PM	#64
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	One of the Craig's List scams was for someone to sell a fully functional Kindle at a cut rate price. Then a couple of hours or days later the 3G/WiFi stops working and the user finds out that the Kindle was reported as stolen. Either people reported it late or the seller was hoping to get the Kindle back and resell it. Rinse and Repeat. There is always room for abuse but I prefer the small chance that disgruntled spouse or whatever over a thief or someone who picked up my lost Kindle using it.

10-04-2011, 12:18 PM	#65
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	One change they could make is to require your amazon password to de-register a device from the device it self. This way, if someone found or stole a kindle the could not deregister it... once this is in place amazon could put into place the only someone that is the currently registered owner can blacklist the kindle. Just an idea. I think the best idea is to keep good tabs on your kindle. BOb

10-04-2011, 01:57 PM	#68
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	If the books are on a Kindle, even one that has been deregistered, you lose the license. Otherwise, one person could put their one book on many, many Kindles, deregister them, and exceed the 6 license limit.

10-04-2011, 02:11 PM	#70
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	When you buy a book for the Kindle it tells you the number of licenses that come with the book. Once you have placed the book on a Kindle you have used one of the licenses. There is some question if the license returns to fold when the book is removed from the device or not. I have known people who have had to call Amazon in order to get licenses back because they reached the max.

10-04-2011, 03:33 PM	#72
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I have not looked in the terms of service. I have had friends who have gifted old Kindles and sold old Kindles who have run into the license problem. They have spent a few hours on the phone with CS having them reinstate licenses for books that had been on the sold or gifted units. They had a lot of books so it took a while.