DRM Handcuffs - Page 6

kennyc · 09-25-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

I'm a bit worried at those who blithely advise that its totally legally OK to remove DRM from DRMed ebooks and its the only sensible course of action to take....

Worry about your own damn self, 'kay?

kennyc · 09-25-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

No, it doesn't . You can re-download your ebooks from Amazon if your house AND your system burns down. The Kindle Agreement allows you to re-download your ebooks to up to 6 devices.
Its this kind of misinformation that is a constant in such debates. Whatever your feelings about DRM, at least make it clear that there are non-DRM-stripping ways of backing up and restoring your ebook collection.

Wrong.
Not if they go out of business. Quit being an apologist for DRM.

bfisher · 09-25-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Thank you for that. So I presume these open epubs were past the return/expire date?

Yes, I think the expiration date was Sept. 21

stonetools · 09-25-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Worry about your own damn self, 'kay?

I am my brother's keeper.
This post wasn't for you. It was for those who are concerned about following the law, and are also concerned about backup-archive options. That obviously ain't you . Feel free to ignore, 'kay?

kennyc · 09-25-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

I am my brother's keeper.
This post wasn't for you. It was for those who are concerned about following the law, and are also concerned about backup-archive options. That obviously ain't you . Feel free to ignore, 'kay?

Well clearly I'm a participant here. This is an open forum, posts are not "directed" to certain people and your sthick gets old really fast. Of course you haven't been told that before so thought I'd mention it, 'kay?

kennyc · 09-25-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bfisher

Yes, I think the expiration date was Sept. 21

Thank you!

LadyViking · 09-25-2011, 04:00 PM

I am all for removing DRM, and sending it to a museum. It did not do anything good to the music buisness. I think the same will happen to about books.
But that still leaves me with the problem "how do I get it off my books" Not because I want to cheat anyone. Butt if I have to buy different readers for different books, my life will be complicated. The fact that only few big shops sell to danish addresses, does not make it easyer.

I find i kind of insulting to be regarded as criminel, without any reason. And I like to determin myself where I will put my books, just as noone can tell me were to place my paperbooks.

Can anyone help me? Then I can show my husband the answer. I love to read, but tecnic is not my best side.

LadyViking

pdurrant · 09-25-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyViking

But that still leaves me with the problem "how do I get it off my books"

Can anyone help me? Then I can show my husband the answer. I love to read, but tecnic is not my best side.

You should use Google to find Apprentice Alf's blog.

rdfry · 09-25-2011, 04:49 PM

It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.

kennyc · 09-25-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rdfry

It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.

Exactly!

cfrizz · 09-25-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rdfry

It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Exactly!

Yup! This crap has been going on and blathered about and ignored by the masses forever.

It didn't work for people backing up their records with cassette tapes, or cds dvds, and now ebooks.

The publishers etc. can say what they like, but people are going to consider their ebooks as their property thereby having the right to back them up so that they aren't dependent on any business if said business goes belly up or simply changes their mind and decides to stop keeping their customers copies.

It is an unenforceable law and always will be.

CRussel · 09-25-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

No, it doesn't . You can re-download your ebooks from Amazon if your house AND your system burns down. The Kindle Agreement allows you to re-download your ebooks to up to 6 devices.
Its this kind of misinformation that is a constant in such debates. Whatever your feelings about DRM, at least make it clear that there are non-DRM-stripping ways of backing up and restoring your ebook collection.

Horsepucky. Please READ what I post before you tell me I'm full of it. If you feel the need to grovel to DRM, go right ahead. But don't try to pretend that a backup with DRM on is a protection against catastrophic failure. Or against the provider of the book going out of business, or just deciding to stop selling that version of DRM'd book.

HansTWN · 09-25-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rdfry

It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.

You are right on the money --- and buying only non-DRM books is just not an option at this point.

stonetools · 09-25-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rdfry

It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.

Then maybe you should post DRM removal techniques on this forum, since the law is toothless and what could happen, right? You should add your name and address, too, just to put your money where your mouth is.

No? Didn't think so.

I look at the world as it is, not as how I'd like it to be. As it is, these laws are on the books and if you want to avoid any possibility of legal entanglement, you should act according to the law. Just sayin'.

cfrizz · 09-25-2011, 08:17 PM

And the possibility of ending up in legal entanglement is slim to none and you know it.

You can rant and rave all you want, but the fact remains that the majority of otherwise law abiding citizens don't give a crap about this toothless law. What they care about is keeping and securing their legally bought and paid for property.

We simply refuse to be held hostage to greedy corporations who would prefer for us to keep rebuying the same books over and over again whenever they decide to switch formats, servers, go out of business, or whatever. It's NOT going to happen.

It didn't work for mp3s and it's not going to work for ebooks.

Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean that it is just or that it is right. There have been plenty that have been struck down. My guess is that this will be one of them as far as personal use goes. And in the meantime, people will continue to strip drm.

09-25-2011, 08:17 PM	#90
cfrizz Wizard Posts: 1,570 Karma: 36389706 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Quincy, MA Device: Samsung 54A, Kobo Libra H2O, Samsung S6 Lite	And the possibility of ending up in legal entanglement is slim to none and you know it. You can rant and rave all you want, but the fact remains that the majority of otherwise law abiding citizens don't give a crap about this toothless law. What they care about is keeping and securing their legally bought and paid for property. We simply refuse to be held hostage to greedy corporations who would prefer for us to keep rebuying the same books over and over again whenever they decide to switch formats, servers, go out of business, or whatever. It's NOT going to happen. It didn't work for mp3s and it's not going to work for ebooks. Just because a law is on the books doesn't mean that it is just or that it is right. There have been plenty that have been struck down. My guess is that this will be one of them as far as personal use goes. And in the meantime, people will continue to strip drm. Last edited by cfrizz; 09-25-2011 at 08:21 PM.

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09-25-2011, 04:00 PM	#82
LadyViking Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2011 Device: sony prs 650	I am all for removing DRM, and sending it to a museum. It did not do anything good to the music buisness. I think the same will happen to about books. But that still leaves me with the problem "how do I get it off my books" Not because I want to cheat anyone. Butt if I have to buy different readers for different books, my life will be complicated. The fact that only few big shops sell to danish addresses, does not make it easyer. I find i kind of insulting to be regarded as criminel, without any reason. And I like to determin myself where I will put my books, just as noone can tell me were to place my paperbooks. Can anyone help me? Then I can show my husband the answer. I love to read, but tecnic is not my best side. LadyViking

09-25-2011, 04:49 PM	#84
rdfry loving the books Posts: 374 Karma: 18825402 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: DFW Device: Rooted Nook, Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4, Galaxy Note 5, 2 Fire 7s Note 8	It boggles my mind why anyone that pays for the books that they read and have no plan to redistribute them to others, would worry about removing the DRM. Nothing is going to happen to you. This is a civil matter and no one is going to sue you, over this silliness.