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Old 09-24-2011, 03:59 PM   #166
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:14 PM   #167
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Of course they're nobody's friend. They're a business. The only entity that thinks that businesses are people is the US Supreme Court.
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:17 PM   #168
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Of course they're nobody's friend. They're a business. The only entity that thinks that businesses are people is the US Supreme Court.
And Mitt Romney!
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Old 09-24-2011, 05:03 PM   #169
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If I recall correctly, the book was in the $5-$10 range, and they gave customers back $30. More than fair.
They were sued by a high school student that lost his notes. They had to pay $150k. Compare that to $30. It's not about fair, they wanted to avoid getting sued.
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I would like Amazon even better however if Amazon did not have unfair advantages in what is supposed to be a free market. Can there be no doubt that Amazon gets a free ride to the detriment of brick and mortar stores? Should not buyers have to pay sales tax for example as they must for most other purchases?
First, in what sense is Amazon's advantage "unfair?" Brick-and-mortar bookstores have no legal barrier to adopting Amazon's business model.

Second, what do you mean by "free ride" to the detriment of brick and mortar stores? Surely Amazon owns or rents vast warehouses, data centers, shipping centers, office blocks, etc.; and surely those other bookstores can shut down their storefronts and, again, adopt Amazon's model.

I agree that Amazon has chosen a different model than those electing to operate brick and mortar bookstores; however, there are advantages to either model. I enjoy shopping at Amazon, I enjoy shopping at the paperback exchange down the street, and I still enjoy shopping at Barnes and Noble.

Third, just because Amazon is not required to figure and collect taxes for people from certain states does not mean those people are not required to pay the taxes, nor is Amazon thereby enjoying an unfair advantage. If people elect not to report those purchases and not to pay those taxes, that is on them and not on Amazon. Amazon is literally one of tens of thousands of corporations legally not collecting sales taxes from out-of-state customers--including brick and mortar bookstores shipping orders to customers in other states. This is nothing new, and merchants have been operating under this system for many many years, going back to our great-grandparents' purchases from the Sears and Roebuck catalog.
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Old 09-24-2011, 05:09 PM   #171
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I find it interesting that so many people consider Amazon a monopoly. I have yet to find anything on Amazon that I could not find elsewhere if I looked hard enough. They just happen to make most things easier to find.
They are working on exclusive publishing deals. For example:
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Old 09-24-2011, 05:14 PM   #172
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Lynch noted that “we will not stock physical books in our stores if we are not offered the available digital format. In recent instances, Amazon’s exclusive publisher deals have prohibited Barnes & Noble from selling certain e-books.”
I'm not sure how that relates to antitrust laws and monopolies. Is McDonalds a monopoly because they're the only ones allowed to sell Big Macs?
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I'm not sure how that relates to antitrust laws and monopolies. Is McDonalds a monopoly because they're the only ones allowed to sell Big Macs?
Analogy Police!

I'm not convinced that hamburgers are comparable in the same way that books and artistic works are comparable.
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Old 09-24-2011, 05:31 PM   #174
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They are working on exclusive publishing deals. For example:
Umm if an author chooses to use a certain publisher then they have to follow said publishers rules. Authors can choose not to sign with Amazon if they are unhappy with Amazon's rules.

B&N is doing exactly what it feels it needs to do in order to stay competitive. "Give us all or nothing". That puts the ball in Amazon's court as to whether or not they want to compromise w/ B&N's rules.

Plus, there's nothing (except cash) stopping B&N from doing the exact same thing. In a way, they already have..they have their own line of public domain books. Sure you can get other copies from other places, but they will not have the B&N touch.

In the end, everyone still has a choice.
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I'm not sure how that relates to antitrust laws and monopolies. Is McDonalds a monopoly because they're the only ones allowed to sell Big Macs?
You could sell a hamburger exactly like a Big Mac. You just can't call it a Big Mac.
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Umm if an author chooses to use a certain publisher then they have to follow said publishers rules. Authors can choose not to sign with Amazon if they are unhappy with Amazon's rules.
I'm not talking about that. What I replied to was:
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I find it interesting that so many people consider Amazon a monopoly. I have yet to find anything on Amazon that I could not find elsewhere if I looked hard enough. They just happen to make most things easier to find.
Did you find ebooks that were published exclusively by Amazon on sites of other distributors?
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I'm not talking about that. What I replied to was:

Did you find ebooks that were published exclusively by Amazon on sites of other distributors?
I don't know of any titles exclusively published by Amazon. If there are titles that were exclusively published by Amazon then it was the author or holder of the book rights who chose to exclusively publish with Amazon. That was their choice. They didn't have to work with Amazon. They could have gone elsewhere. That is my point. In no way is Amazon, the company, a monopoly, because people have choices.

The definition of a monopoly is a lack of choice. As long as people can chose a competitor there is no monopoly.
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Analogy Police!

I'm not convinced that hamburgers are comparable in the same way that books and artistic works are comparable.
I know, I know... I broke my own self-imposed analogy rule. Sue me.
But all this silly talk of monopoly just got the better of me.
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I know, I know... I broke my own self-imposed analogy rule. Sue me.
But all this silly talk of monopoly just got the better of me.

If a guy who owns a chicken farm leaves the gate open, and chickens escape, is that also breaking his own rules?
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If a guy who owns a chicken farm leaves the gate open, and chickens escape, is that also breaking his own rules?
Were the chickens clearly informed beforehand that they weren't to leave the enclosure? And was there a capon in the group?
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