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Old 09-20-2011, 01:03 PM   #136
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Although I wouldn't knock the Great Illustrated Classics. I actually think some of their versions of the classics are (subjectively) better.
Classics Illustrated - saved my butt more than I can remember come book report time
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:52 PM   #137
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If you want to argue that some people learn "stuff" by hearing it, and others learn "stuff" by reading it, fine, but that's a completely different issue.
The ruckus was because of the snobby remark that it's FRIGHTENING that folks have the audacity to participate in talking about books they've "read" when they had merely "listened" to them.

Which was followed up with the notion that our democracy was at stake.

The rest is just extending the debate into areas peripheral.

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Old 09-20-2011, 04:54 PM   #138
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If an author comes across as a douchebag (as this one did), and it is known that their writing is substandard (as this one is), why should I support them?
Someone should ask this very question to the thousands, if not millions, of die-hard Tao Lin fans all across the internet and literary circles.
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:57 PM   #139
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Someone should ask this very question to the thousands, if not millions, of die-hard Tao Lin fans all across the internet and literary circles.
Never heard of him (her?) does that say anything to you?
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:09 PM   #140
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Never heard of him (her?) does that say anything to you?
^This.

I guess its off to google we go!

So I've found him but it seems I would have to go read some of his stuff to see why you use him in this category. Maybe later I can join you in your misery?

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Old 09-20-2011, 05:47 PM   #141
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:51 PM   #142
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Never heard of him. Not gonna look. Not in the habit of going to look for something to be outraged about.

I *hear* that Someone On The Internet Is Wrong. Somewhere.
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:31 PM   #143
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Never heard of him. Not gonna look. Not in the habit of going to look for something to be outraged about.

I *hear* that Someone On The Internet Is Wrong. Somewhere.
Where? Show me, I'll take care of it!!

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Old 09-20-2011, 08:41 PM   #144
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I find this discussion(reading vs. listening to audio books) to be quite fascinating. Historically, in many cultures at different periods of time, written books were read aloud by servants or slaves to their masters. In some languages (Arabic for examples) the words for "reading" and "recitation" are the same. Even in Victorian times it was common for books to be read aloud. Dickens used to read excerpts (or in the case of "A Christmas Carol" the whole work) to rapt audiences. If every word of the original work is being impressed upon your consciousness such that you can discuss it intelligently, I think that that one claim to have read it. Mind you, as Muslim, I am heir to a culture in which transmission is both oral and literary but which privileges having "heard" a book from a qualified teacher, so I may be biased.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:49 PM   #145
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Are you an author if the story is only a tale that has never been written down?
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:34 PM   #146
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That "author" is obiously unhinged or, at the very least, cavalier about his craft. Or both.

As to the debate about audiobooks. I got addicted to audiobooks because of long commutes to grad school and work. Now I just have work but I still have a long commute. I get my stories in but I have a real hard time sitting down and reading now. I miss that because I do think I have much less recall of an audiobook than I do of a text book. Since I started e-reading, I have been able to read a few text books but less than I had hoped.

Neil Gaiman is excellent at reading his own work and gives good audiobook, by the way, and I really enjoyed, for example, the audiobook of Richard Matheson's Other Kingdoms, read by Bronson Pinchot, and George Guidall's readings of the Harry Potter books. However, I miss that ability to sit down and read. I always loved doing that as a kind and young adult. I know I am busier now but I think that multitasking while listening to audiobooks and the Internet have conspired to kill my attention span. I still get stories in but I get lost in them so much more if I am able to sit and read, rather than listen while driving/shopping/exercising/housecleaning.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:49 PM   #147
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That should have been "kid" and not "kind," speaking of typos. ;?P
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:37 AM   #148
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Only if you're in the woods and a tree falls down
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:08 AM   #149
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Only if you're in the woods and a tree falls down
Does the tree hit you or not?

And is there a monkey in the tree?

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Does the tree hit you or not?

And is there a monkey in the tree?

Trees only hit rude authors. Of course that begs the question; if there's no one there to witness it, was he actually hit?

If it's a banana tree, there are definitely monkeys.
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