SONY officially introduces the new line "Reader WIFI" @ $149 asking price

[log]

@ hellmark, check it again yourself please... sil_lis removed my question in the quote, then said "i dont see a question in your last two posts" obviously trolling assuming he was trying to make a joke of my frustration for being ignored. Not discussing this further with you or anyone else, sorry not worth my time.

Originally Posted by porkupan

It will be fun to watch if there is enough interest in the Android rooting community, a couple of years after the first nook. If the Reader is successfully rooted, I expect Sony to end up selling a lot of hardware and very little content. The people will buy Sony Readers for the sake of rooting them and installing better reading apps, such as FBReaderJ, CoolReader, Nomad Reader, etc.

Agreed, I recently discovered there is a small community of people who have been working on the Nook Simple Touch reader. The biggest limitation of the device is the lack of hardware buttons, and you can have to install an application that overlays the android hardware keys on the screen, not a very good experience. It does work and they got numerous applications, outside of other reading apps (which is biggest value added in my opinion).

Compare that with the potential for rooting the new Sony Reader with the hardware buttons. It will be the best e-Ink device to run Android applications.

Furthermore, imagine the possibility for some sort of official "Market" for Android based applications optimized for an e-Ink display -- there already is an ever growing Android developer community out there after all.

[Pookeysgirl]

@log: I don't usually jump into these things, but this really bugs me. These are the 2 previous posts I believe Sil_lis was referring to. There is no question there that I or anyone else can see. Where is the question that was ignored?

Great work, thanks for posting here Tim.

Some new/noteworthy things I discovered scanning through manual:
Page 13 "Turn on USB storage" screen which is basically every on Android device I've seen that lets you access the SD card.
Page 48 - 1000mA rechargeable battery

It was posted in July, this is part of the FCC approval process.

This is not the "official" manual that will be shipping with the product, but it does give us some hints of what's coming.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by log

@ hellmark, check it again yourself please... sil_lis removed my question in the quote, then said "i dont see a question in your last two posts" obviously trolling assuming he was trying to make a joke of my frustration for being ignored. Not discussing this further with you or anyone else, sorry not worth my time.


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uh, no, you are acting like a needy adolescent....maybe you are.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

You had not asked that question prior to when you became upset. Please review your posts. You may have started to ask, but nothing actually was posted.

Originally Posted by Pookeysgirl

@log: I don't usually jump into these things, but this really bugs me. These are the 2 previous posts I believe Sil_lis was referring to. There is no question there that I or anyone else can see. Where is the question that was ignored?

Yes, those were the questions that I was referring to.

Originally Posted by log

@ hellmark, check it again yourself please... sil_lis removed my question in the quote, then said "i dont see a question in your last two posts" obviously trolling assuming he was trying to make a joke of my frustration for being ignored. Not discussing this further with you or anyone else, sorry not worth my time.

As I explained in post 220, the reason why I only posted the first part was because I didn't think that you were referring to what you were about to say.

Also, for the future: you waited just one hour and 15 minutes before deciding that people were ignoring you; you can expect even a day for a reply to an actual question because the people on the forum don't live in the same time zone.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by log

@ hellmark, check it again yourself please... sil_lis removed my question in the quote, then said "i dont see a question in your last two posts" obviously trolling assuming he was trying to make a joke of my frustration for being ignored. Not discussing this further with you or anyone else, sorry not worth my time.

Log, You posted twice before complaining. Here is every post of yours in this thread?

Post #1740695 (note the 10:40 edit timestamp, did you accidentally remove it?

Originally Posted by log

Great work, thanks for posting here Tim.

Some new/noteworthy things I discovered scanning through manual:
Page 13 "Turn on USB storage" screen which is basically every on Android device I've seen that lets you access the SD card.
Page 48 - 1000mA rechargeable battery
Last edited by log; Today at 10:40 AM.

#1740727

Originally Posted by log

It was posted in July, this is part of the FCC approval process.

This is not the "official" manual that will be shipping with the product, but it does give us some hints of what's coming.

And complaining on #1740784. And First time you mention the question.

Originally Posted by log

Wow, just because I'm a new member I'm getting ignored? Not enough "karma"?

Can some here please confirm or deny that any previous version of the Sony Reader actually has the screen shown on page 13 ... "Turn on USB storage" screen??

#1740798

Originally Posted by log

Very funny. How about you stop editing peoples post when you quote them next time?

#1740898

Originally Posted by log

Thanks porkupan.

This, as well other evidence such as the hardware buttons, menu/popup UI in videos, and a confirmation by one the largest gadget news website on the internet -- we have seen more than enough to convince me that the new Sony Reader is indeed running on the Android OS.


If it doesn't convince others, you will have to wait until more official announcements will come from Sony, don't trust the mobileread newbie who found a needle in a haystack.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Well then you need to describe exactly how to see that screen because as I said I've never seen it or anything like it (logo or not) and I've using and programming Android for over a year now on a variety of devices.

Not saying it doesn't exist, I'd love for you to detail how I see it though. (maybe it is only while charging?)

I have an HTC Magic "MyTouch3g", and a Eken M002. The Mytouch has Cyanogenmod 6.1.0, but I've had all the other available versions on it before, as well as OpenEclair. The Eken, I have the SlateDroid Mercury beta, and have previously had the factory roms on as well. On either one, I plug it in to a USB cable, and in the status bar I will get an open for debug mode or USB storage, because I have dev mode enabled. When I don't, it just gives me the option for USB storage. I select it, and it gives me that basic screen, to mount or not.

On a friend's G2, he just plugs in and it gets that screen automatically

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

I have an HTC Magic "MyTouch3g", and a Eken M002. The Mytouch has Cyanogenmod 6.1.0, but I've had all the other available versions on it before, as well as OpenEclair. The Eken, I have the SlateDroid Mercury beta, and have previously had the factory roms on as well. On either one, I plug it in to a USB cable, and in the status bar I will get an open for debug mode or USB storage, because I have dev mode enabled. When I don't, it just gives me the option for USB storage. I select it, and it gives me that basic screen, to mount or not.

On a friend's G2, he just plugs in and it gets that screen automatically

I've never seen it. I actually went googling for it and found some info on android 2.2 upgrade and people complaining about it. I've never seen it on my DroidX or Xoom (or in any of the emulators -- but that may not be relevant).

Yeah I get the USB connected whether I have debug on or off but never that screen or any variant of it.

I just tried it with DroidX. No such screen either way. Now if I pull down the USB connected Status I do get a screen that controls the USB connection with four choices: PC Mode Windows Media Sync USB Mass Storage or Charge Only. I suppose this is the equivalent screen but it does not pop up automatically.

On the Xoom there is not even a notification (perhaps because charging is not through USB)

And it is no where close to the image posted above. Fact is with any linux based o/s you would need this sort of thing when you connect via usb. It's more of a Linux thing than an android thing.

[Sil_liS]

What are the advantages of Android over Linux for e-ink, other than possible rooting to get to the market?

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I've never seen it. I actually went googling for it and found some info on android 2.2 upgrade and people complaining about it. I've never seen it on my DroidX or Xoom (or in any of the emulators -- but that may not be relevant).

Yeah I get the USB connected whether I have debug on or off but never that screen or any variant of it.

I just tried it with DroidX. No such screen either way. Now if I pull down the USB connected Status I do get a screen that controls the USB connection with four choices: PC Mode Windows Media Sync USB Mass Storage or Charge Only. I suppose this is the equivalent screen but it does not pop up automatically.

On the Xoom there is not even a notification (perhaps because charging is not through USB)

And it is no where close to the image posted above. Fact is with any linux based o/s you would need this sort of thing when you connect via usb. It's more of a Linux thing than an android thing.

On the Droid X, it is basically the same as the USB Mass Storage option. Motorola (which both the Xoom and Droid X are made by) do things differently with their own custom user interfaces. Stock android has it more akin to the screen showed in the manual here for the T1

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

On the Droid X, it is basically the same as the USB Mass Storage option. Motorola (which both the Xoom and Droid X are made by) do things differently with their own custom user interfaces. Stock android has it more akin to the screen showed in the manual here for the T1

Thus my point. It's not the same on every android device as was claimed and thus that screen says NOTHING about whether this device is android based or not.

In addition as I said earlier ANY linux device (which the Sony's have always been) will require some type of management for USB and SD-Card storage.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Thus my point. It's not the same on every android device as was claimed and thus that screen says NOTHING about whether this device is android based or not.

In addition as I said earlier ANY linux device (which the Sony's have always been) will require some type of management for USB and SD-Card storage.

Its not the same on every Android device, but it is something unique to Android. I'm a hardcore linux user, and I've been using a lot of embedded linux devices over the years, and Android devices are the only one I've ever seen that give you an option to enable or disable mass storage when connecting to the computer via USB. Most linux based devices automatically switch to be used as a USB storage device when it connects to a USB host.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

What are the advantages of Android over Linux for e-ink, other than possible rooting to get to the market?

For using it as a standard reading device? None whatsoever. There are people around, though, who seem to feel the urge to convert any device which runs Android into a general-purpose tablet. If that's what floats their boat, fair enough.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by HarryT

For using it as a standard reading device? None whatsoever. There are people around, though, who seem to feel the urge to convert any device which runs Android into a general-purpose tablet. If that's what floats their boat, fair enough.

And from the point of view of the manufacturer? Is it easier to make software for Android than for Linux?

[kennyc]

No but if you want to deploy the software (i.e. bookreader) to other devices, it is likely more efficient and economical to write to android than linux.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by kennyc

No but if you want to deploy the software (i.e. bookreader) to other devices, it is likely more efficient and economical to write to android than linux.

In terms of Android being used on a wider range of portable devices than Linux, I agree. In terms of the difficulty of porting applications from one Linux device to another, I don't think there's really anything in it.