Onyx Boox M90 available - Page 32

kamizase · 08-21-2011, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booxtor

Just be patient a couple of months yet.

... couple of... months?

Bah, I waited so long, can wait a bit longer. Unless pocketbook get better annotations support.

Booxtor · 08-22-2011, 05:29 AM

The information is directly from manufacturer (the new device will be named M92).
About the problem with the speaker/screen - my new sample (M90) does not have this problem at all and works just fine. Only disturbing things on it (but still tolerable) are capacitive and IR buttons. The speed of PDF handling could be improved either.

About upgrading of devices of early buyers I would ask your vendor, but I guess it is quite impossible.

Larrie · 08-22-2011, 06:51 AM

Looks like they seem to have corrected the speaker blind spot. Mine has the speaker blind spot, slow speed, but the IR button seems to be more reliable that what I have read about here. Still a lot of bugs tho, like it does not return to last page read even tho I have set it to this setting. Looks like I should have waited several months for the M92, but I just could not resist getting a large screen e-ink pearl that was even clearer that the DXG that could reliably handle pdfs (but then again, already waited long enough as I almost bought the iRexDR800). Hopefully they don't abandon firmware updates for existing M90/91 users when the new M92 appears...

jian1 · 08-22-2011, 08:43 PM

The problem is like once m92 is out, the support for m90 would gradually be phased out and left a semi-functional crap in our hands.

It's unlikely that Onyx would develop two separate frimwares and it's not economical viable to support M90 which only has a handful of preordered users such as myself.

I strongly suggest our M90 owner begin to lobby Onyx for a replacement/

studiosus · 08-25-2011, 05:48 PM

After using Boox M90 for a week now, it is really a love-hate relationship with it

(1) Firmware. When it goes to the stand-by mode for a longer period of time (let's say overnight), and when some book is left open in the reader then after the resume from the stand-by it loses the page you were on and goes directly to SD-card main menu. Moreover, it won't also remember the page I was last on the book (under 'progress' shows I'm on page 1)! This means, I have to search for the exact page over and over again.

(2) IR-button really pisses me off – and as noted before by the others - sometimes it works, most often not. Useless even in best conditions. Well, actually it won't disturb me anymore since I gave up using it

(3) Reflection on the screen. Perhaps I did not do my homework very well (although I have watched very closely the developments of e-book readers during last 3-4 years), but Boox (and I guess all the other e-book readers with touchscreen too?) really need very good lighting conditions to read. You cannot read for example inside the house where the window/lighting source is in the opposite direction (e.g. laying on the stomach on the bed with your soles pointing to window). Direct daylight coming "from behind" makes Boox unreadable, so you always need to consider its position. Same goes for the artificial lighting, e.g. lamps (see the picture attached), since you need to position Boox to a certain angles/degree so the reflections won't disturb you. This is surely no problem for usual books, and has been my biggest disappointment.

(4) Battery. Well - do not be fooled by the "Up to 8000 pages on only one battery charge!"

I do not use wifi and when reading use only highlighting/annotations, but in the stand-by regime, it will drain out within 3-4 days (reading approx 100-200 pages in a day). I guess something "heavy" is running on the background.

(5) Some remarks for the academics. When using the annotation tool – this means, highlighting some sentences or parts of text – then in case you don't add any text by yourself, then Boox just copies this portion of the text and shows it directly under the 'All annotations' menu (see the picture attached). I find it really great since so I can later find interesting passages very easily, and theoretically can take the notes file from Boox and import it your personal computer for later usage.

Which I also really like is the 'hide margin' option, which allows reading academic pdf articles and books at ease. I think the size of the screen/device is just optimal. Custom zoom could nevertheless be very handy. Speed is more-or-less okay for me, although compared to others it should be faster. Annotation/highlighting works pretty well, this was actually my main reason for buying Boox. But poor and underdeveloped firmware is really its biggest downside...

initx · 08-26-2011, 04:01 PM

Thx Studiosus for the great review. So, finally, shall I cancel my order (because it is still delayed), or not? Which is stronger: love or hate?

jian1 · 08-28-2011, 10:42 PM

for potential M90 buyers:

The PDF support isn't really on par, for I have had tons of academic books scanned as PDF and page turning is forever slow, especially with graphs involved. Converted thru OCR improves it a bit, but for complex graphs, such as some camera service manuals, slow.... Not sure it's a firmware problem or hardware limitation of the device.

Some of my Chinese PDF textbook is sooooo slow that turning page requires 1 min. Such as <dreams of red chamber> as it's written vertically instead of horizontally.

dictionary is a joke as 1.5.1.20110729, annotation... forget about it, the firmware is nontheless very buggy as its current status, despite being developed for at least a year. I would say wait for other company releases a pearl screen, as Onyx certainly doesn't have the technical advances developing a proper firmware (it might have cheaper labor for its based in China)

adrhc · 08-29-2011, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Booxtor

The information is directly from manufacturer (the new device will be named M92).

http://www.onyx-boox.com/onyx-boox-m92/specifications/

Freescale i.MX508 800 MHz
256 MB DDR
12:1 Contrast ratio
16 levels of grayscale
4096 MB internal memory
1200px x 825px

Exactly what I was expecting

.

Thierry.C · 08-29-2011, 02:16 PM

I wouldn't bet to much on all those new characteristics.
They probably copy-paste from M90 and modified the most obvious one.
For instance, the mentioned weight is still 520 g. I doubt it would exactly match with some modifications of the hardware.

By the way, there is still mention of the capacitive keys, which Booxtor said will be replaced by mechanical keys.

Let's see...

Edit: Anyone knows what are the differences between the Freescale i.MX508 800 MHz (M92) and the Marvell 800 MHz (M91S)?

studiosus · 08-29-2011, 06:08 PM

As an irony my device stopped working as well (as noted here for Boox 60 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147532) after being approx 2 days in standby mode while I was away for the weekend. Has anyone had similar problems and solutions?

Conclusion: do not buy, before the firmware is fixed.

EDIT: After a long messing with the device, I finally got it back working again. Still very angry at Onyx though.

wilgru · 08-30-2011, 06:38 AM

After reading the posting of booxtor and Jian1 , I have searched some information for the M92. I fond a picture where it still has the IR button and in the specifications it says,
capacitive touch key. So if they keep it on the M92, I am confident there will be a solution for the M90.
Yesterday I had a mail from Onxy europe, and it said the M92 will still take a long time.
And then I do'nt want to be the first buyer, but rather wait for some reviews, so that would probably mean , that I will have to wait untill spring 2012.
So I still stick with the M90, that will finaly be delivered this week.

initx · 08-30-2011, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by studiosus

As an irony my device stopped working as well (as noted here for Boox 60 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147532) after being approx 2 days in standby mode while I was away for the weekend.

Could you already fix the problem? My Hanlin V3 does the same, but then I charge and reset it and it starts working again.

adrhc · 08-30-2011, 02:01 PM

Does anyone know if there's a difference between M91S and M90 when talking about glare ? I studied the technology behind the wacom and it seems that it induce no additional glare.

adrhc · 09-01-2011, 12:54 PM

Is it possible to add new fonts to M90 ? (let's say I want to copy some *.ttf font files from my windows to it).

Booxtor · 09-07-2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adrhc

Does anyone know if there's a difference between M91S and M90 when talking about glare ? I studied the technology behind the wacom and it seems that it induce no additional glare.

There is no difference between both displays in those devices. The Wacom layer is installed behind the e-ink screen, so you can't see it.

08-25-2011, 05:48 PM	#470
studiosus Member Posts: 14 Karma: 136 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: several devices	After using Boox M90 for a week now, it is really a love-hate relationship with it (1) Firmware. When it goes to the stand-by mode for a longer period of time (let's say overnight), and when some book is left open in the reader then after the resume from the stand-by it loses the page you were on and goes directly to SD-card main menu. Moreover, it won't also remember the page I was last on the book (under 'progress' shows I'm on page 1)! This means, I have to search for the exact page over and over again. (2) IR-button really pisses me off – and as noted before by the others - sometimes it works, most often not. Useless even in best conditions. Well, actually it won't disturb me anymore since I gave up using it (3) Reflection on the screen. Perhaps I did not do my homework very well (although I have watched very closely the developments of e-book readers during last 3-4 years), but Boox (and I guess all the other e-book readers with touchscreen too?) really need very good lighting conditions to read. You cannot read for example inside the house where the window/lighting source is in the opposite direction (e.g. laying on the stomach on the bed with your soles pointing to window). Direct daylight coming "from behind" makes Boox unreadable, so you always need to consider its position. Same goes for the artificial lighting, e.g. lamps (see the picture attached), since you need to position Boox to a certain angles/degree so the reflections won't disturb you. This is surely no problem for usual books, and has been my biggest disappointment. (4) Battery. Well - do not be fooled by the "Up to 8000 pages on only one battery charge!" I do not use wifi and when reading use only highlighting/annotations, but in the stand-by regime, it will drain out within 3-4 days (reading approx 100-200 pages in a day). I guess something "heavy" is running on the background. (5) Some remarks for the academics. When using the annotation tool – this means, highlighting some sentences or parts of text – then in case you don't add any text by yourself, then Boox just copies this portion of the text and shows it directly under the 'All annotations' menu (see the picture attached). I find it really great since so I can later find interesting passages very easily, and theoretically can take the notes file from Boox and import it your personal computer for later usage. Which I also really like is the 'hide margin' option, which allows reading academic pdf articles and books at ease. I think the size of the screen/device is just optimal. Custom zoom could nevertheless be very handy. Speed is more-or-less okay for me, although compared to others it should be faster. Annotation/highlighting works pretty well, this was actually my main reason for buying Boox. But poor and underdeveloped firmware is really its biggest downside... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by studiosus; 08-25-2011 at 06:10 PM.

08-28-2011, 10:42 PM	#472
jian1 Banned Posts: 140 Karma: 5766 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Onyx Boox M92	addendum for potential M90 buyers: The PDF support isn't really on par, for I have had tons of academic books scanned as PDF and page turning is forever slow, especially with graphs involved. Converted thru OCR improves it a bit, but for complex graphs, such as some camera service manuals, slow.... Not sure it's a firmware problem or hardware limitation of the device. Some of my Chinese PDF textbook is sooooo slow that turning page requires 1 min. Such as <dreams of red chamber> as it's written vertically instead of horizontally. dictionary is a joke as 1.5.1.20110729, annotation... forget about it, the firmware is nontheless very buggy as its current status, despite being developed for at least a year. I would say wait for other company releases a pearl screen, as Onyx certainly doesn't have the technical advances developing a proper firmware (it might have cheaper labor for its based in China)

08-29-2011, 02:16 PM	#474
Thierry.C Connoisseur Posts: 52 Karma: 4096 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lausanne (CH) Device: none yet	I wouldn't bet to much on all those new characteristics. They probably copy-paste from M90 and modified the most obvious one. For instance, the mentioned weight is still 520 g. I doubt it would exactly match with some modifications of the hardware. By the way, there is still mention of the capacitive keys, which Booxtor said will be replaced by mechanical keys. Let's see... Edit: Anyone knows what are the differences between the Freescale i.MX508 800 MHz (M92) and the Marvell 800 MHz (M91S)? Last edited by Thierry.C; 08-29-2011 at 02:46 PM.

08-29-2011, 06:08 PM	#475
studiosus Member Posts: 14 Karma: 136 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: several devices	As an irony my device stopped working as well (as noted here for Boox 60 https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=147532) after being approx 2 days in standby mode while I was away for the weekend. Has anyone had similar problems and solutions? Conclusion: do not buy, before the firmware is fixed. EDIT: After a long messing with the device, I finally got it back working again. Still very angry at Onyx though. Last edited by studiosus; 09-11-2011 at 05:15 AM.

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08-22-2011, 05:29 AM	#467
Booxtor Booxtor Posts: 1,126 Karma: 2305664 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Device: a lot of..	The information is directly from manufacturer (the new device will be named M92). About the problem with the speaker/screen - my new sample (M90) does not have this problem at all and works just fine. Only disturbing things on it (but still tolerable) are capacitive and IR buttons. The speed of PDF handling could be improved either. About upgrading of devices of early buyers I would ask your vendor, but I guess it is quite impossible.

08-22-2011, 06:51 AM	#468
Larrie Enthusiast Posts: 30 Karma: 18 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: PRS 600, PB 360, Ectaco JB, Kindle DX, PRS 950, M90	Looks like they seem to have corrected the speaker blind spot. Mine has the speaker blind spot, slow speed, but the IR button seems to be more reliable that what I have read about here. Still a lot of bugs tho, like it does not return to last page read even tho I have set it to this setting. Looks like I should have waited several months for the M92, but I just could not resist getting a large screen e-ink pearl that was even clearer that the DXG that could reliably handle pdfs (but then again, already waited long enough as I almost bought the iRexDR800). Hopefully they don't abandon firmware updates for existing M90/91 users when the new M92 appears...

08-22-2011, 08:43 PM	#469
jian1 Banned Posts: 140 Karma: 5766 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Onyx Boox M92	The problem is like once m92 is out, the support for m90 would gradually be phased out and left a semi-functional crap in our hands. It's unlikely that Onyx would develop two separate frimwares and it's not economical viable to support M90 which only has a handful of preordered users such as myself. I strongly suggest our M90 owner begin to lobby Onyx for a replacement/

08-26-2011, 04:01 PM	#471
initx Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 14 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Budapest, Hungary Device: Onyx Boox M92, Nokia Lumia 800	Thx Studiosus for the great review. So, finally, shall I cancel my order (because it is still delayed), or not? Which is stronger: love or hate?

08-30-2011, 06:38 AM	#476
wilgru Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Bebook	After reading the posting of booxtor and Jian1 , I have searched some information for the M92. I fond a picture where it still has the IR button and in the specifications it says, capacitive touch key. So if they keep it on the M92, I am confident there will be a solution for the M90. Yesterday I had a mail from Onxy europe, and it said the M92 will still take a long time. And then I do'nt want to be the first buyer, but rather wait for some reviews, so that would probably mean , that I will have to wait untill spring 2012. So I still stick with the M90, that will finaly be delivered this week.

08-30-2011, 02:01 PM	#478
adrhc Connoisseur Posts: 88 Karma: 3642 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Bucharest, Romania Device: PcketBook Pro 903	Does anyone know if there's a difference between M91S and M90 when talking about glare ? I studied the technology behind the wacom and it seems that it induce no additional glare.

09-01-2011, 12:54 PM	#479
adrhc Connoisseur Posts: 88 Karma: 3642 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Bucharest, Romania Device: PcketBook Pro 903	Is it possible to add new fonts to M90 ? (let's say I want to copy some *.ttf font files from my windows to it).