Moving archive to new Kindle

Catew · 07-27-2011, 10:15 PM

I've got a brand new Kindle 3 sitting here, with nothing on it. (My old one died. This is Kindle number 5 for me; I've been using one since they came out).

Since I've had a fair amount of experience moving into a "new" Kindle, I know that the way I do it is a huge pain. I end up sending things by ones and twos from the "manage your Kindle" page on the Amazon site, and then I manually place them into collections on the Kindle. This takes forever, and it seems so inefficient. I always end up not transferring books I wanted.

Also, I'm not very good at keeping things organized on the Kindle, especially with the free books I collect. When this Kindle died, I had, literally, 35 (strike that - it's 80) pages of uncategorized books.

Can anyone give me advice about the best/fastest/most organized way to move into this new kindle? And also, what do people like to help them keep their kindle organized once they're well into using it? I have a windows PC, and I'm not adverse to jailbreaking if it gets me to the result I want.

I've "had" to use an ipad the past week to get to my books, and I really like the ipad interface. It's so nice to see the book covers, for one thing.

Anyway, I would love any advice and opinions folks have to offer. I'm going to wait to get things set up until this weekend, because I really want to do it thoughtfully this time!

Thank you...

alansplace · 07-27-2011, 11:50 PM

sorry

Deja Moo · 07-28-2011, 01:08 AM

Umm. . . If he has to download from the "Manage Your Kindle" page, he got them from Amazon, so many of them will have DRM: so copying from one Kindle to the other won't work. Unless he's already stripped the DRM (shhh, keep it quiet)

CRussel · 07-28-2011, 09:57 AM

If all your books are managed in Calibre, the process of moving to a new Kindle is trivial. But since you haven't done that before now, you're going to have to send them from Amazon the hard way.

I would strongly recommend using Calibre to manage your books. While it is technically possible to use Calibre without removing DRM from the books, there are obvious benefits to having the DRM off, especially if the need is to move the books to a new device when the old one dies. Calibre can make the process of removing that DRM easier (google Apprentice Alf), but doesn't in and of itself have anything to do with DRM.

Another plus of Calibre is the ability (with Plug-ins) to manage your collections on your PC instead of having to do it on your Kindle.

abookreader · 07-28-2011, 11:19 AM

I thought that if you pulled the collections from the old Kindle onto the new Kindle you didn't have to then add the books to the Collections - you just have to download the books to the new Kindle.

But in any case, setting up a new Kindle without liberated books sitting in a Calibre database is not a task I'd enjoy.

My process is multi-select and then click "Send to Device."

alansplace · 07-28-2011, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRussel

....it is technically possible to use Calibre without removing DRM from the books....

i think that the way you've worded that implies that calibre comes out-of-the-box as a drm stripper, which it doesn't. i think it might be better to say 'it is technically possible to use calibre to remove DRM from the books', but certainly not necessary.

pidgeon92 · 07-28-2011, 01:23 PM

I have absolutely no organization on my Kindle.

When I buy a new book from Amazon, it gets sent to my K3, and that's it. They just pile up.

I keep all of my ebooks (Amazon and others) in Calibre and a list in Delicious Library (for Mac). When I need a new book to read, I look at those lists and choose my next book.

jbcohen · 07-28-2011, 02:53 PM

I thought the process would be:

1) Regsiter the new Kindle
2) De-register the older one
3) Pick the books you want sent to the Kindle and click send to kindle - unfortuantely this needs to be done one-by-one

In my case I keep two books on the reader, at most, at all times therefore the process is not that bad.

DiapDealer · 07-28-2011, 03:46 PM

Why do you need to instantly turn your new Kindle into a clone of the original? I would simply wait until I actually needed one of my previous purchases. Then either download it from my archive, or sideload it from a calibre repository.

The "As Needed" technique will eliminate all headaches.

CRussel · 07-28-2011, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alansplace

i think that the way you've worded that implies that calibre comes out-of-the-box as a drm stripper, which it doesn't. i think it might be better to say 'it is technically possible to use calibre to remove DRM from the books', but certainly not necessary.

My intent was to be clear that Calibre isn't involved directly in DRM removal, so clearly I failed in that. It can, however, be configured to do so, with the addition of Tools. But with or without DRM removal, it's still a great way to

Catew · 07-28-2011, 10:23 PM

Thanks -- it looks like Calibre is the thing I need to look into. It helps to know where to start.

I don't really need to organize the books, true, BUT...I have two kids and a husband, all with Kindles on my account. I get interrupted a lot, which means I start books and have to pick them back up all the time. I have always had stacks of "dead tree" books around to choose from, and went kindle to avoid the storage issues, but now I find that I'm drowning in potential reads, some of which I've started and some I got free for some "desperate" day, and there are some that I bought that I really wanted to read 4 months ago and was really busy then and so they are now subsumed under others...I hope this sounds familiar to someone.

I guess there's no way to avoid getting the house in order, so to speak, and I guess I'd better start sooner rather than later. Losing the DRM is a nice side benefit. I'll look into that while I'm at it. Thanks -- any additional input more than welcome and appreciated!

(Forgot to add: thanks for suggesting that I hook the old kindle up and back it up to the PC. All the keys are dead and I can't even turn it off, but it still had charge enough that I was able to back up the /documents subdirectory.)

07-27-2011, 10:15 PM	#1
Catew Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: Kindle 3	Moving archive to new Kindle I've got a brand new Kindle 3 sitting here, with nothing on it. (My old one died. This is Kindle number 5 for me; I've been using one since they came out). Since I've had a fair amount of experience moving into a "new" Kindle, I know that the way I do it is a huge pain. I end up sending things by ones and twos from the "manage your Kindle" page on the Amazon site, and then I manually place them into collections on the Kindle. This takes forever, and it seems so inefficient. I always end up not transferring books I wanted. Also, I'm not very good at keeping things organized on the Kindle, especially with the free books I collect. When this Kindle died, I had, literally, 35 (strike that - it's 80) pages of uncategorized books. Can anyone give me advice about the best/fastest/most organized way to move into this new kindle? And also, what do people like to help them keep their kindle organized once they're well into using it? I have a windows PC, and I'm not adverse to jailbreaking if it gets me to the result I want. I've "had" to use an ipad the past week to get to my books, and I really like the ipad interface. It's so nice to see the book covers, for one thing. Anyway, I would love any advice and opinions folks have to offer. I'm going to wait to get things set up until this weekend, because I really want to do it thoughtfully this time! Thank you... Last edited by Catew; 07-27-2011 at 11:02 PM. Reason: Quantification error

07-27-2011, 11:50 PM	#2
alansplace Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,895 Karma: 464403178 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: 33.9388° N, 117.2716° W Device: Kindles K-2, K-KB, PW 1 & 2, Voyage, Fire 2, 5 & HD 8, Surface 3, iPad	sorry Last edited by alansplace; 07-28-2011 at 02:10 AM.

07-28-2011, 10:23 PM	#11
Catew Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: Kindle 3	Thanks -- it looks like Calibre is the thing I need to look into. It helps to know where to start. I don't really need to organize the books, true, BUT...I have two kids and a husband, all with Kindles on my account. I get interrupted a lot, which means I start books and have to pick them back up all the time. I have always had stacks of "dead tree" books around to choose from, and went kindle to avoid the storage issues, but now I find that I'm drowning in potential reads, some of which I've started and some I got free for some "desperate" day, and there are some that I bought that I really wanted to read 4 months ago and was really busy then and so they are now subsumed under others...I hope this sounds familiar to someone. I guess there's no way to avoid getting the house in order, so to speak, and I guess I'd better start sooner rather than later. Losing the DRM is a nice side benefit. I'll look into that while I'm at it. Thanks -- any additional input more than welcome and appreciated! (Forgot to add: thanks for suggesting that I hook the old kindle up and back it up to the PC. All the keys are dead and I can't even turn it off, but it still had charge enough that I was able to back up the /documents subdirectory.) Last edited by Catew; 07-28-2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason: typos

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07-28-2011, 01:08 AM	#3
Deja Moo Enthusiast Posts: 32 Karma: 8228 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: PaperWhite	Umm. . . If he has to download from the "Manage Your Kindle" page, he got them from Amazon, so many of them will have DRM: so copying from one Kindle to the other won't work. Unless he's already stripped the DRM (shhh, keep it quiet)

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CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,296 Karma: 80074820 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), iPad Air M3	If all your books are managed in Calibre, the process of moving to a new Kindle is trivial. But since you haven't done that before now, you're going to have to send them from Amazon the hard way. I would strongly recommend using Calibre to manage your books. While it is technically possible to use Calibre without removing DRM from the books, there are obvious benefits to having the DRM off, especially if the need is to move the books to a new device when the old one dies. Calibre can make the process of removing that DRM easier (google Apprentice Alf), but doesn't in and of itself have anything to do with DRM. Another plus of Calibre is the ability (with Plug-ins) to manage your collections on your PC instead of having to do it on your Kindle.

07-28-2011, 11:19 AM	#5
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	I thought that if you pulled the collections from the old Kindle onto the new Kindle you didn't have to then add the books to the Collections - you just have to download the books to the new Kindle. But in any case, setting up a new Kindle without liberated books sitting in a Calibre database is not a task I'd enjoy. My process is multi-select and then click "Send to Device."

07-28-2011, 01:23 PM	#7
pidgeon92 Wizard Posts: 3,144 Karma: 8426142 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Device: Kindle PW2, Kindle Voyage, Kindle DXG, Boox M90, Kobo Aura HD	I have absolutely no organization on my Kindle. When I buy a new book from Amazon, it gets sent to my K3, and that's it. They just pile up. I keep all of my ebooks (Amazon and others) in Calibre and a list in Delicious Library (for Mac). When I need a new book to read, I look at those lists and choose my next book.

07-28-2011, 02:53 PM	#8
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	I thought the process would be: 1) Regsiter the new Kindle 2) De-register the older one 3) Pick the books you want sent to the Kindle and click send to kindle - unfortuantely this needs to be done one-by-one In my case I keep two books on the reader, at most, at all times therefore the process is not that bad.

07-28-2011, 03:46 PM	#9
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,574 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Why do you need to instantly turn your new Kindle into a clone of the original? I would simply wait until I actually needed one of my previous purchases. Then either download it from my archive, or sideload it from a calibre repository. The "As Needed" technique will eliminate all headaches.