Kobo / Apple purchasing changes - Page 3

fbrII · 07-25-2011, 07:32 AM

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I fully appreciate your viewpoint, and obviously the decision is entirely yours to make.

Likewise my friend, likewise

murraypaul · 07-25-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Like you, I bought an iPad largely for the convenience of being able to read books from multiple sources, and, from my perspective, the new app-store rules don't change that in the slightest. I don't spend enough time buying books for it to concern me one jot whether I buy them from the reading app or from the web browser. Moreover, we've known about these changes for - what? 3 months? 6 months? A long time, whatever it is, so it was absolutely no surprise whatsoever that these app changes have been made.

From my point of view, I was buying Kindle books anyway, which was already being done through a web browser rather than in the app, so the only difference would be that now I would have to open the site up myself, rather than opening it from within the Kindle app.

kjk · 07-25-2011, 12:34 PM

Amazon has complied as well:
http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle/r...TxFSUR2H7D8D9W

MrsJoseph · 07-25-2011, 12:38 PM

Well, that's that. I guess there's no one left to say nay.

kjk · 07-25-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phogg

Et Tu Brute.

I would suggest that Apple has zero legal recourse if suddenly only links to stories at least a month old relating to apple show up anymore on Google's search engine, and all sales links disappear.

I think it would be funny to watch this happen.

Sure, if Google were shortsighted, whiny, and as caught up in silly fanboy wars as people tend to be on the Internet

I see much the same sentiment posted about Adobe ("They should stop selling Photoshop for OSX! That will show Apple!"). But business is business.

kjk · 07-25-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsJoseph

Well, that's that. I guess there's no one left to say nay.

Google hasn't re-released their Books app yet.

fjtorres · 07-25-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

Sure, if Google were shortsighted, whiny, and as caught up in silly fanboy wars as people tend to be on the Internet

I see much the same sentiment posted about Adobe ("They should stop selling Photoshop for OSX! That will show Apple!"). But business is business.

Business is business, but so is hardball.
And Goggle is not shy about hardballing anybody.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20...s-from-search/

Considering how little business Google Books gets off iOS, the PR benefits from a boycot might outweigh the lost revenue if Google wants to play it up. Especialy considering Google Books is more of an online service anyway.

They'll probably take the path of least resistance, anyway.

kiwipippa · 07-25-2011, 02:01 PM

What happens if you don't install the updates? My son's ipod has the warnings that the updates are there but he hasn't installed them and still has the old versions. Haven't tried buying anything yet so it will be interesting to see if it works.

Phogg · 07-25-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kjk

Sure, if Google were shortsighted, whiny, and as caught up in silly fanboy wars as people tend to be on the Internet

I see much the same sentiment posted about Adobe ("They should stop selling Photoshop for OSX! That will show Apple!"). But business is business.

It would cost Google little to do this, as Apple would cave inside of two days.

fbrII · 07-25-2011, 02:08 PM

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But business is business.

Damn right, I'm thinkin' maybe we should cut school budgets so we can extend them some tax incentives, soes they can continue to create wealth and people in China don't need to worry bout losing their jobs.

taming · 07-25-2011, 02:12 PM

Pippa, you can still use the old Kobo app. You need not install the update. That being said, one of the problems with the older version was that sync was for some unknown (to me) reason not working properly on the old Kobo App for iOS. I'm assuming that sync was fixed in this version. I haven't heard about it yet from my iOS friends

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More then that, the App is fairly frequently updated for new features, which, if you do not update, you will not get. There are alternatives to in-App purchasing, so that might be the best bet.

Season · 07-25-2011, 02:45 PM

My viewpoint is, I bought a product with certain expectations. Apple has now changed those expectations. Apple made a choice to make their product less user friendly for their customers in order to increase what I would assume are already healthy profit margins.

They have a right to do so, just like they have a right to force you to sign new terms and conditions every other month, although you bought their product based on the terms and conditions in effect at the time of your purchase.

While they have the right to do these things they also have to accept the subsequent risk that some of their customers will get tired of their policies and say enough is enough.

I'm in total agreement with you! I got an iPad as a gift and will not willingly get another apple product. My next tablet will also have flash. Sheesh!

In my case they lost a customer. I an very sure they can afford to lose me as a customer, but then I can also say with equal assurance I can live life without Apple products and at this point, quite happy to do so.[/QUOTE]

murraypaul · 07-25-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Business is business, but so is hardball.
And Goggle is not shy about hardballing anybody.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20...s-from-search/

Considering how little business Google Books gets off iOS, the PR benefits from a boycot might outweigh the lost revenue if Google wants to play it up. Especialy considering Google Books is more of an online service anyway.

But if Google Books left the iPad, how many people would even notice?
They don't have the sort of leverage that Amazon, Netflix, etc... do

jocampo · 07-25-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rhadin

I'm proud to say I don't own an iPad -- or any Apple product -- and don't expect to ever own any Apple product precisely because I don't want Stevie-boy deciding what is good and what is bad for me. At my age, I think I can manage to make those decisions myself. Besides, if it weren't for Apple we might not have agency pricing. Considering that Stevie believes reading is dead, the least he could have done is wholly ignored ebooks rather than making life more miserable for consumers.

It's clearly a business decision.

I actually dislike iTunes, but I believe the iPad is the best tablet out there and an excellent PDF and IT books reader (because the size)

The user has the choice. But Jobs does not take decisions on my behalf. I like Amazon and besides O'reilly, is my main online bookstore source. I do not buy books from Apple but Amazon.

Now, the ability to use different reading apps, is what makes iPad a nice device. We can install B&N Nook, Kindle, GoodReader, etc. If Apple decides to block that, then I would say the iPad will be a piece of junk. But as long as I have the ability to read on same device and buy from the online store, I don't see any issues.

kiwipippa · 07-25-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by taming

Pippa, you can still use the old Kobo app. You need not install the update. That being said, one of the problems with the older version was that sync was for some unknown (to me) reason not working properly on the old Kobo App for iOS. I'm assuming that sync was fixed in this version. I haven't heard about it yet from my iOS friends

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More then that, the App is fairly frequently updated for new features, which, if you do not update, you will not get. There are alternatives to in-App purchasing, so that might be the best bet.

Thanks Taming, you're right, it is pretty easy to navigate to the store via safari. We download the epub for all books anyway so have to go to kobobooks.com to do this. Hopefully they will develop a mobile interface soon though.

It's the principle of it that annoys me more than anything.

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07-25-2011, 12:34 PM	#33
kjk . Posts: 3,408 Karma: 5647231 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: never enough	Amazon has complied as well: http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle/r...TxFSUR2H7D8D9W

07-25-2011, 12:38 PM	#34
MrsJoseph Loves Ellipsis... Posts: 1,554 Karma: 7899232 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Kobo Wifi (broken), nook STR (returned), Kobo Touch, Sony T1	Well, that's that. I guess there's no one left to say nay.

07-25-2011, 02:01 PM	#38
kiwipippa Fanatic Posts: 578 Karma: 613022 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Device: kobo glo, kobo touch (dead), kindle touch, android phone	What happens if you don't install the updates? My son's ipod has the warnings that the updates are there but he hasn't installed them and still has the old versions. Haven't tried buying anything yet so it will be interesting to see if it works.

07-25-2011, 02:12 PM	#41
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	Pippa, you can still use the old Kobo app. You need not install the update. That being said, one of the problems with the older version was that sync was for some unknown (to me) reason not working properly on the old Kobo App for iOS. I'm assuming that sync was fixed in this version. I haven't heard about it yet from my iOS friends . More then that, the App is fairly frequently updated for new features, which, if you do not update, you will not get. There are alternatives to in-App purchasing, so that might be the best bet.

07-25-2011, 02:45 PM	#42
Season Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Literati	My viewpoint is, I bought a product with certain expectations. Apple has now changed those expectations. Apple made a choice to make their product less user friendly for their customers in order to increase what I would assume are already healthy profit margins. They have a right to do so, just like they have a right to force you to sign new terms and conditions every other month, although you bought their product based on the terms and conditions in effect at the time of your purchase. While they have the right to do these things they also have to accept the subsequent risk that some of their customers will get tired of their policies and say enough is enough. I'm in total agreement with you! I got an iPad as a gift and will not willingly get another apple product. My next tablet will also have flash. Sheesh! In my case they lost a customer. I an very sure they can afford to lose me as a customer, but then I can also say with equal assurance I can live life without Apple products and at this point, quite happy to do so.[/QUOTE]