Are Fair Use Rights coming to an end?

[speedlever]

Originally Posted by monkeygirl351

Not sure if I am correct, but the way to bypass k4pc, is to download the book to your kindle, hook the kindle to the pc and then click on it to open up the documents folder. Find the book and transfer to calibre that way as the plugins for kindle are in calibre. Thats how I do it. I just don't want to get in trouble for being too specific on the forums.

Ah. I never (rarely) connect the K3 via USB. Skip the calibre part as that is not the issue. Getting the ebook to my PC is the question. Either d/l via K4PC or connect the K3 via USB, are those the only choices?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by speedlever

Just curious how download to PC for USB transfer is different from d/l to K4PC 2. Either case puts the file on the PC. Did I misunderstand your point?

The only difference is that the former doesn't require you to have K4PC installed on your computer at all. If you don't use it... changes and updates to it can't affect you. This is obviously only a viable solution for those who own Kindle devices.

Same workflow, no ever-changing—potentially tool breaking, re-download causing—updates (recently).

Either d/l via K4PC or connect the K3 via USB, are those the only choices?

No.
Download via Amazon's webpage to your PC
(no K4PC... just because you're downloading the copy meant to be transferred via usb doesn't mean you actually have to transfer it via usb .
Import to calibre (plugin removes DRM with Kindle serial number).
Email to K3.

No USB cable involved.

[speedlever]

As long as auto-update is off, I don't have to learn something new, right?

Alternatively, it sounds like the USB connection may offer some advantages if I get to bypass K4PC in that it eliminates one of the variables in the d/l process. Short of changing the DRM protocol, Amazon can control the process via K4PC. Then again, they may be putting pressure on both ends.

[speedlever]

Argh. We are passing in cyberspace.

I don't understand what you mean by d/l from their webpage to my PC. When I one click buy, it seems I have a choice of where to send it... any of my registered devices.

[paola]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

There seems to be a lot of FUD going around here. The current system is not dead yet. The very latest tools still work fine with K4PC up to and including 1.6 (though 1.6 support is very new). There are no guarantees beyond that, however. Everything still works as of right now: K4PC, K4Mac, Stand-alone Kindle books, K4iPhone/Pod/Touch.

In fact, I just tested the tools on K4PC 1.4.1, 1.5 and 1.6. Everything still worked as of 10 minutes ago.

They are making it harder and harder, though. The next version of K4* may just prove too difficult for the current maintainers to overcome, but it hasn't happened yet.

yeah, because the current maintainers kick ass

[monkeygirl351]

Originally Posted by speedlever

Argh. We are passing in cyberspace.

I don't understand what you mean by d/l from their webpage to my PC. When I one click buy, it seems I have a choice of where to send it... any of my registered devices.

Oh I just figured it out! I never knew there was a way to do it, but if you go to amazon's website and manage kindle content, there is a choice under Action to download and transfer to PC. Click kindle library as the destination and download. It saves the file to your computer, then you can transfer to calibre to free it. Then you can mail it to your kindle or connect through USB, however you wish. I didn't know about this either so that is really cool. I think it will use the kindle PID rather than anything with k4pc so it is a way to bypass that totally.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by monkeygirl351

Oh I just figured it out! I never knew there was a way to do it, but if you go to amazon's website and manage kindle content, there is a choice under Action to download and transfer to PC. Click kindle library as the destination and download. It saves the file to your computer, then you can transfer to calibre to free it. Then you can mail it to your kindle or connect through USB, however you wish. I didn't know about this either so that is really cool. I think it will use the kindle PID rather than anything with k4pc so it is a way to bypass that totally.

You have the exact same option when you purchase ebooks from a browser on your PC, too. The wording is "Transfer via computer" on the "Deliver to" drop down.

Just remember, the Device specific PID for your Kindle no longer works for Amazon purchases (unless you have software less than 2.5 on your device), it's the 16 character serial number you want.

[monkeygirl351]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You have the exact same option when you purchase ebooks from a browser on your PC, too. The wording is "Transfer via computer" on the "Deliver to" drop down.

Just remember, the Device specific PID for your Kindle no longer works for Amazon purchases (unless you have software less than 2.5 on your device), it's the 16 character serial number you want.

Ahh cool. I have the serial number and PId set up in Calibre. That is good to know and explains why it worked. Makes it easier to do this way rather than search the documents folder for my new purchases

[speedlever]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You have the exact same option when you purchase ebooks from a browser on your PC, too. The wording is "Transfer via computer" on the "Deliver to" drop down.

Just remember, the Device specific PID for your Kindle no longer works for Amazon purchases (unless you have software less than 2.5 on your device), it's the 16 character serial number you want.

Thanks for that. I'll have to look into it and see if I can make any sense of it. Right now it's not clicking. And yeah, I'm up-to-date on my K3 software too.

Looks like I'll have to read the plug-in instructions again too.

[speedlever]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You have the exact same option when you purchase ebooks from a browser on your PC, too. The wording is "Transfer via computer" on the "Deliver to" drop down.

Just remember, the Device specific PID for your Kindle no longer works for Amazon purchases (unless you have software less than 2.5 on your device), it's the 16 character serial number you want.

I don't mean to be dense, but I don't see that option.

When I go to manage my Kindle account and choose a book to d/l, I see this (as an example):


When I highlight Actions, I see this:


And when I choose Deliver to my..., I only see my registered devices (2 Kindles, K4PC, K4PC 2, and my iPad):


If I choose Download and transfer via USB, it asks me which K3 to transfer it to. Is this the choice you are referring to as Transfer via computer?

What am I missing?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by speedlever

If I choose Download and transfer via USB, it asks me which K3 to transfer it to. Is this the choice you are referring to as Transfer via computer?

What am I missing?

You choose the device for which you want it encrypted, ie, the device who's serial number you put in the plugin, but you do not actually need the device involved at all.
You simply download the file and copy it to Calibre rather than to the Kindle.

I have two vaguely relevant points to make in this thread:

1. Even if the concerns in the OP pan out and the current maintainers can no longer maintain the current tools, there are other developers with other skill sets who will find other ways around it. We will have short hiatus at most. Even if the current fundamental methodologies are rendered impractical for the long haul, as others have implied, machine vision and related technologies are advancing so fast, other totally different methods around this nonsense will soon be practical. I would not be surprised if in the near future we will be able to flip a book in front of a cell phone camera and have a well-formatted ePub pop out.

2. Reminder that the Library of Congress DCMA rule-making cycle begins in October, and they will give opportunity for the public to comment on what exemptions the Librarian should create. Make sure you let it be known that we want protection for this sort of space- and format- shifting.

ApK

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by speedlever

I don't mean to be dense, but I don't see that option.

If I choose Download and transfer via USB, it asks me which K3 to transfer it to. Is this the choice you are referring to as Transfer via computer?

What am I missing?

Correct. Kindle book downloads are specific to a device. So if you download to Kindle 1, you cannot put the book on Kindle 2. That is unless/until you remove the DRM.

Carol

Edited: I see Apk has answered.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Speak for yourself. They "do" just fine by me (in the USA). You don't think $7.24 and DRM free is a deal compared to agency pricing? Sheesh! You're hard to please.

The exchange rate is the issue. And given how the US is going down the toilet, I feel the exchange rate will get worse.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The exchange rate is the issue. And given how the US is going down the toilet, I feel the exchange rate will get worse.

Well, Europe and China are going down as well, so exchange rates won't change much.

[speedlever]

Originally Posted by ApK

You choose the device for which you want it encrypted, ie, the device who's serial number you put in the plugin, but you do not actually need the device involved at all.
You simply download the file and copy it to Calibre rather than to the Kindle.

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2. Reminder that the Library of Congress DCMA rule-making cycle begins in October, and they will give opportunity for the public to comment on what exemptions the Librarian should create. Make sure you let it be known that we want protection for this sort of space- and format- shifting.

ApK

Originally Posted by sadievan

Correct. Kindle book downloads are specific to a device. So if you download to Kindle 1, you cannot put the book on Kindle 2. That is unless/until you remove the DRM.

Carol

Edited: I see Apk has answered.

Got it. Thank you both for the response. The way it was worded, I thought it would just send it to the K3 specified as the destination device... which seemed a duplication of another choice.

Regarding ApK'e encouraging words, thanks!

Is there a link to where one would go to make those comments to the Librarian?