Are Fair Use Rights coming to an end?

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by speedlever

Hijacking my own thread here, K4PC 2 shows I have 59 total items with 7 downloaded and 52 archived. Do I have to click on each one to d/l or is there a way to have all the archived items d/l at one shot? Then I can archive them myself.

Unfortunately, you have to do it one at a time. That's one of the reasons why I never wait to remove the DRM... too many things can go wrong. If you're ever planning on removing DRM, you should do it immediately after purchasing. Preparation to (maybe) do it later is preparation wasted... this scenario where you have to re-download everything is a perfect example of that.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Unfortunately, you have to do it one at a time. That's one of the reasons why I never wait to remove the DRM... too many things can go wrong. If you're ever planning on removing DRM, you should do it immediately after purchasing. Preparation to (maybe) do it later is preparation wasted... this scenario where you have to re-download everything is a perfect example of that.

Totally agree. My "workflow" is:

Buy book -> Download to K4PC -> Import into Calibre to remove DRM -> Transfer to Kindle.

That way I know that I have the DRM-free version safe in my Calibre library.

[AkumaTakeshi]

So removal through the Kindle itself still works?

Too bad that was this new version of K4PC that started to have some protection against the tools, because the implementation of collections really helps. I'm curious if you create one collection in one place or in the other if it appears it its counterpart, e.g. You create a collection on K4PC and it updates in Kindle.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by sabredog

I was using Amazon as a convenient way to buy my ebooks but that looks like it will most definitely change now.

Since you have devices that handle ePub (Sony PRS-300/650, Kobo, 2 x Jetbook Lite (wife's)), why would you buy from Amazon? It's the least convenient way to get eBooks. You then have to strip the DRM, convert to ePub, fix them up from there and sometimes they can be such a mess that it's not all that easy to fix up. Buying ePub straight off would be the most convenient way to get eBooks for your devices.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kc24zz

It happened to me today. Running 1.4.1- with updating off. They stopped Kindle for pc, downloaded something named Kindle for pc2 and required me to register. Now none of the tools work.

Since I mostly purchased backlist titles from amazon, it's the authors who lose in this. I will not purchase anything I can't backup.

I'm still using 1.0 beta 1 and it seems to work fine. I have auto updates off and I was able to download an archived item.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by AkumaTakeshi

So removal through the Kindle itself still works?

Too bad that was this new version of K4PC that started to have some protection against the tools, because the implementation of collections really helps. I'm curious if you create one collection in one place or in the other if it appears it its counterpart, e.g. You create a collection on K4PC and it updates in Kindle.

DRM removal via K4PC 1.6 still works absolutely fine.

Collections don't automatically "migrate" from one device to another, but you can load collections on one device from another. Doing so will, however, wipe out any collections that you currently have on that device.

[kc24zz]

Originally Posted by AkumaTakeshi

So removal through the Kindle itself still works?

Too bad that was this new version of K4PC that started to have some protection against the tools, because the implementation of collections really helps. I'm curious if you create one collection in one place or in the other if it appears it its counterpart, e.g. You create a collection on K4PC and it updates in Kindle.

Maybe. I don't know what triggered the K4pc 2 thing to happen. I have removed both versions from my computer and tried to reinstall K4pc with no luck. Seems its K4pc 2 or nothing.

Easier for me to simply not buy from amazon. I may become one of those very few with a new printer/scanner.

[cfrizz]

Originally Posted by 5thWiggle

No, Adobe added this to their reader SDK (though it's fairly recent, I think). Any reader that uses Adobe DRM can use the B&N DRM as well. It's up to the manufacturer whether they want to include it or not. For readers produced before Adobe added B&N, the manufacturers could update the SDK and their firmware.

Well Sony doesn't want their readers buying B&N ebooks.

Yep. Most of the readers that will read multiple DRM systems are produced independant of ebook stores, or are tablet apps.

Please give a list of readers that can read both forms of drm. These will go to the top of my list for a purchase of a new ereader when it comes time to get one.

[ring0_event]

Am I missing something? When I buy a book from Amazon, I can manually transfer it off the device, and import it into Calibre. Why the worry about Kindle4PC? I guess it's a naive question, but I don't see where. Perhaps it's because I have never upgraded the FW of my Kindle 3 (3.02 IIRC), as wireless is almost always off.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by ring0_event

Am I missing something? When I buy a book from Amazon, I can manually transfer it off the device, and import it into Calibre. Why the worry about Kindle4PC? I guess it's a naive question, but I don't see where. Perhaps it's because I have never upgraded the FW of my Kindle 3 (3.02 IIRC), as wireless is almost always off.

Yes, you're missing something. You're missing the part where people without a stand-alone Kindle would like to purchase books from Amazon and convert/read them on a reader of their choice. K4(whatever) is their only choice. For others, it's just workflow preferences and/or habit--from the days when K4PC was the ONLY DeDRM option (thanks to the 2.5 firmware update).

[melmac]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Since you have devices that handle ePub (Sony PRS-300/650, Kobo, 2 x Jetbook Lite (wife's)), why would you buy from Amazon? It's the least convenient way to get eBooks. You then have to strip the DRM, convert to ePub, fix them up from there and sometimes they can be such a mess that it's not all that easy to fix up. Buying ePub straight off would be the most convenient way to get eBooks for your devices.

I sometimes buy from amazon simply because they are cheaper and its not inconvenient at all, the process is very simple - buy book from amazon, import it into Calibre as soon as I do that it auto strips the drm, right click convert to epup and send to device, I havent had to fix anything in the epubs so far they have all turned out perfect.

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Totally agree. My "workflow" is:

Buy book -> Download to K4PC -> Import into Calibre to remove DRM -> Transfer to Kindle.

That way I know that I have the DRM-free version safe in my Calibre library.

I do something very similar.

Buy book -> Download to K4PC -> Import into Calibre to remove DRM -> Backup to flash drive and external hard drive.

I don't keep all my books on my Kindle.

Carol

[melmac]

Originally Posted by ring0_event

Am I missing something? When I buy a book from Amazon, I can manually transfer it off the device, and import it into Calibre. Why the worry about Kindle4PC? I guess it's a naive question, but I don't see where. Perhaps it's because I have never upgraded the FW of my Kindle 3 (3.02 IIRC), as wireless is almost always off.

Not everyone has a Kindle LOL

[ring0_event]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Yes, you're missing something. You're missing the part where people without a stand-alone Kindle would like to purchase books from Amazon and convert/read them on a reader of their choice. K4(whatever) is their only choice. For others, it's just workflow preferences and/or habit--from the days when K4PC was the ONLY DeDRM option (thanks to the 2.5 firmware update).

Of course, that makes perfect sense, so stupid of me. So am I right in concluding that if K4PC is completely bypassed nothing has changed, and that the tools should continue to work as before? Or is that threatened as well?

[sadievan]

Originally Posted by kc24zz

Maybe. I don't know what triggered the K4pc 2 thing to happen. I have removed both versions from my computer and tried to reinstall K4pc with no luck. Seems its K4pc 2 or nothing.

Easier for me to simply not buy from amazon. I may become one of those very few with a new printer/scanner.

Could it be that the K4PC 2 was triggered because at some point you had K4pc on this or another computer and this is a second install of it. I believe when I installed k4pc it added numbers to the installs. I went in and changed the name to something I found easier (k4pc-laptop, k4pc-desktop, etc.) Just a thought.

Carol