ID: embedded graphic

dezignlady · 07-12-2011, 03:04 PM

InDesign CS5

Ok another issue I am having. There are two text dividers using Adobe Wood Type Ornaments. I converted them to outline so they are anchored objects with a style sheet attached to the paragraph, but they are not showing up on the export. Not even the paragraph is showing up. Do I need to put them in Illustrator and then place before it is recognized?

thanks

dezignlady · 07-12-2011, 03:26 PM

ok answered my own question by just trying and placing the image did the trick.

Now one other question that seems to be happening. There is a ton of italic overrides in the book. I've created a character level style sheet that is just for italic, not size or font specific. When it gets to the readers, ADE or Calibre the italic is considerably smaller. Is there something I can do in the InDesign file or should I edit it at CSS level?

thanks

charleski · 07-12-2011, 04:52 PM

This might be an issue with the font. Some fonts give the italic a smaller x-height to accommodate the relatively taller ascenders and descenders. The default font for ADE doesn't do this, though. It would be a lot easier to diagnose the issue if you posted an example epub.

Adjust · 07-12-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dezignlady

should I edit it at CSS level?

I think you overestimating what InDesign is capable of...

Think of ID like a packet bought cake mix. It contains all the ingredients you need to produce said cake. But you still need to mix the stuff together and bake it...export out to ePub. Unzip it and edit the CSS and content.opf and metadata and and....

You see where I'm going with this...

ID is only the First step and long list of processes. You have to dumb down the InDesign file as much as you can, take out nested styles, apply character style to everything...etc etc.

Then do all your formatting by editing the CSS. (I use dreamweaver) all you are really hoping for is that ID brings accross the styles, which you can then manipulate in your CSS...

dezignlady · 07-12-2011, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjust

I think you overestimating what InDesign is capable of...

ID is only the First step and long list of processes. You have to dumb down the InDesign file as much as you can, take out nested styles, apply character style to everything...etc etc.

Then do all your formatting by editing the CSS. (I use dreamweaver) all you are really hoping for is that ID brings accross the styles, which you can then manipulate in your CSS...

Yes well aware of it's shortcomings and now mine trying to wrangle the CSS back into shape. I'm primarily a print designer so am now trying to get the CSS stuff embedded in the brain.

Did find that for some reason the CSS on the span code was reducing the size of the font so was able to fix that, but now I'm finding that the page breaks haven't shown up where they were supposed to so trying to get that all straighten out.

wannabee · 07-12-2011, 09:04 PM

There's a lot been written about page breaks in ePubs in the forum. I don't do page breaks except for a new chapter and indesign can do that for you when exporting. You make the first level of the TOC split files. The new file always start on a new page.

JSWolf · 07-12-2011, 09:39 PM

When you export this book, do you have multiple copies of the graphic you used as a section separater? I've seen this happen in a few eBooks. I don't know if they were made with indesign or some other way. What I was thinking that every time a graphic is placed, a copy is exported. So if you use the same graphic in say 10 different places, you get 10 graphic files expoerted when you only need one.

As for your italic problem, look at the CSS after the export and fine the style used for the italics and fix it manually. You may be able to spot the problem right away. You should look at the XML to find what style it is and then go to the CSS to fix things.

dezignlady · 07-13-2011, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wannabee

There's a lot been written about page breaks in ePubs in the forum. I don't do page breaks except for a new chapter and indesign can do that for you when exporting. You make the first level of the TOC split files. The new file always start on a new page.

Yeah except when it won't, on section of the chapter titles had a different style sheet and even tho it was in the TOC style as a level 1 it was still throwing the whole section together!

Another issue is I am getting duplicate entries on the TOC when I open it in ADE to check. What's with that?

dezignlady · 07-13-2011, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

When you export this book, do you have multiple copies of the graphic you used as a section separater? I've seen this happen in a few eBooks. I don't know if they were made with indesign or some other way. What I was thinking that every time a graphic is placed, a copy is exported. So if you use the same graphic in say 10 different places, you get 10 graphic files expoerted when you only need one.

As for your italic problem, look at the CSS after the export and fine the style used for the italics and fix it manually. You may be able to spot the problem right away. You should look at the XML to find what style it is and then go to the CSS to fix things.

No duplicates on the graphic, especially after I took it out to Illustrator and then placed it as an inline graphic.

Yes, for some reason, even tho a size was not declared on the character style it was assigning a reduced size. I fixed it in the CSS. As well as loosing the rules.

Now the duplicate TOC.

JSWolf · 07-13-2011, 10:52 AM

From all I have read on indesign, sometimes it's just going to be easier to take the exported ePub and fix some things there instead of trying to fix them in indesign.

dezignlady · 07-13-2011, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

From all I have read on indesign, sometimes it's just going to be easier to take the exported ePub and fix some things there instead of trying to fix them in indesign.

Yes I am finding that out. But what is driving me insane is when I fix something and progressively get to where it's validating, then something else breaks!

I created a hyperlinked TOC in InDesign CS5, used the script to correct the bug to make the links work, and suddently on the fifth time or so now that TOC is not showing up in ADE but it is working in Sigil. So does this mean it's working or not!

JSWolf · 07-13-2011, 11:21 AM

That means it's not working. But personally, I would prefer if the linked TpC just not exist. You don't actually need it in an ePub as long as you have a working NCX file that has all of the ToC entries. This is ePub, not Mobipocket so if you remove the linked ToC, problem solved as long as the NCX was working fine.

dezignlady · 07-13-2011, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

That means it's not working. But personally, I would prefer if the linked TpC just not exist. You don't actually need it in an ePub as long as you have a working NCX file that has all of the ToC entries. This is ePub, not Mobipocket so if you remove the linked ToC, problem solved as long as the NCX was working fine.

Well was watching AnneMarie's Lynda.com video and she suggests adding it. It's not throwing an error just not showing up suddenly, but did previously

JSWolf · 07-13-2011, 12:10 PM

Could you post your ToC XML file and we can have a look. Also, maybe it's not properly listed in the OPF.

dezignlady · 07-13-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Could you post your ToC XML file and we can have a look. Also, maybe it's not properly listed in the OPF.

sure, it appears to be there in the list

07-12-2011, 03:04 PM	#1
dezignlady Enthusiast Posts: 30 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: none	ID: embedded graphic InDesign CS5 Ok another issue I am having. There are two text dividers using Adobe Wood Type Ornaments. I converted them to outline so they are anchored objects with a style sheet attached to the paragraph, but they are not showing up on the export. Not even the paragraph is showing up. Do I need to put them in Illustrator and then place before it is recognized? thanks

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07-12-2011, 03:26 PM	#2
dezignlady Enthusiast Posts: 30 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: none	ok answered my own question by just trying and placing the image did the trick. Now one other question that seems to be happening. There is a ton of italic overrides in the book. I've created a character level style sheet that is just for italic, not size or font specific. When it gets to the readers, ADE or Calibre the italic is considerably smaller. Is there something I can do in the InDesign file or should I edit it at CSS level? thanks

07-12-2011, 04:52 PM	#3
charleski Wizard Posts: 1,196 Karma: 1281258 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: PRS-505	This might be an issue with the font. Some fonts give the italic a smaller x-height to accommodate the relatively taller ascenders and descenders. The default font for ADE doesn't do this, though. It would be a lot easier to diagnose the issue if you posted an example epub.

07-12-2011, 09:04 PM	#6
wannabee Media Bloke Posts: 2,381 Karma: 113956855 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NSW - Australia Device: iOS	There's a lot been written about page breaks in ePubs in the forum. I don't do page breaks except for a new chapter and indesign can do that for you when exporting. You make the first level of the TOC split files. The new file always start on a new page.

07-12-2011, 09:39 PM	#7
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 78,981 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	When you export this book, do you have multiple copies of the graphic you used as a section separater? I've seen this happen in a few eBooks. I don't know if they were made with indesign or some other way. What I was thinking that every time a graphic is placed, a copy is exported. So if you use the same graphic in say 10 different places, you get 10 graphic files expoerted when you only need one. As for your italic problem, look at the CSS after the export and fine the style used for the italics and fix it manually. You may be able to spot the problem right away. You should look at the XML to find what style it is and then go to the CSS to fix things.

07-13-2011, 10:52 AM	#10
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 78,981 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	From all I have read on indesign, sometimes it's just going to be easier to take the exported ePub and fix some things there instead of trying to fix them in indesign.

07-13-2011, 11:21 AM	#12
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 78,981 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	That means it's not working. But personally, I would prefer if the linked TpC just not exist. You don't actually need it in an ePub as long as you have a working NCX file that has all of the ToC entries. This is ePub, not Mobipocket so if you remove the linked ToC, problem solved as long as the NCX was working fine.

07-13-2011, 12:10 PM	#14
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 78,981 Karma: 144284074 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Could you post your ToC XML file and we can have a look. Also, maybe it's not properly listed in the OPF.