Ganging up on Pirates... - Page 6

Freeshadow · 07-11-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Drop this idiotic behavior immediately...shut up!

So many stonetools-posts happened and you are still into wishful thinking kenny?

At least I like his new avatar a lot. These two stone thingies remind me of butt-plugs.

kennyc · 07-11-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Freeshadow

So many stonetools-posts happened and you are still into wishful thinking kenny?

At least I like his new avatar a lot. These two stone thingies remind me of butt-plugs.

Well, If I complain and report every idiotic instance, maybe someone will do something.

stonetools · 07-11-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Stop it! That study is not even about books. What the hell is wrong with you?
Drop this idiotic behavior immediately and get on topic or shut up!

Didn't you see other people mentioning books? I was responding to them. I thought this was about Internet piracy in general.

@Freeshadow

As to the butt plug reference, stay classy-if you are capable of classy . TIA

kennyc · 07-11-2011, 08:53 PM

The point is you posted irrelevant off-topic bullshit to push your own agenda. This topic is not about piracy in general, it's specifically about the publishers and internet providers ganging up on whomever they feel like depriving of bandwidth. And in the context of this forum should be related to ebooks.

Now, as I said either get on topic or shut up. I've already reported your post.

stonetools · 07-11-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

The point is you posted irrelevant off-topic bullshit to push your own agenda. This topic is not about piracy in general, it's specifically about the publishers and internet providers ganging up on whomever they feel like depriving of bandwidth. And in the context of this forum should be related to ebooks.

Now, as I said either get on topic or shut up. I've already reported your post.

Dunno who appointed you LORD OF THE INTERNET, but I thought my post was on point. After all, I discussed the issue of content providers working with ISPs to enforce their rights. And the title of the thread is "GANGING UP ON PIRATES". I'm glad you reported my post.I'll let the moderators assess whether it was, or not.

kennyc · 07-11-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

Dunno who appointed you LORD OF THE INTERNET, but I thought my post was on point. After all, I discussed the issue of content providers working with ISPs to enforce their rights. And the title of the thread is "GANGING UP ON PIRATES". I'm glad you reported my post.I'll let the moderators assess whether it was, or not.

I did. See my Avatar Title.

I'm not going to put up with your bullshit. Someone asked about book piracy and you posted off-topic krap to further your own agenda which you've done constantly since you've been here. I'm tired of it and so is everyone else. In this case it is off topic and I pointed it out and will continue to every time I see it happen.

stonetools · 07-11-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I did. See my Avatar Title.

I'm not going to put up with your bullshit. Someone asked about book piracy and you posted off-topic krap to further your own agenda which you've done constantly since you've been here. I'm tired of it and so is everyone else. In this case it is off topic and I pointed it out and will continue to every time I see it happen.

If you were intellectually honest, you would admit that my posts were on topic. They just expressed an opinion that you don't like. Similarly, if you were broad-minded, you would tolerate discussion of that opinion. But you aren't, and aren't . Well, cool. Bye.

vxf · 07-12-2011, 12:29 AM

Two summers ago I was spending some time in Italy, in my 'summer' home. Over there, I use a local ISP, Fastweb. At some point, I got an email saying my access would be blocked because some local law agency had flagged me for downloading pornographic material involving underage 'actors' at a particular website. The email included the name of the website - and it was the library at the University of Oklahoma - the school I still work at and where I was getting my PhD at the time. After some digging, they eventual found that the so-called porn was a file containing NYSE trading data from the CRSP database. Go figure what the heck triggered it...

I just hope our US-based netcops are less incompetent.

montsnmags · 07-12-2011, 01:55 AM

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GreenMonkey · 07-12-2011, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellmark

Oh, I know how it all works. It is a poor system, which is prone to inaccuracy. They should use something more static, like MAC addresses, at least in combo with the IPs. MAC addresses can still be spoofed, but it would trip up far more people. That way, if you have a situation like mine, compare the MAC addies, and see someone else had used the IP. This is still info that the Media Industry's antipiracy squads can get, and this is still info that the ISPs can log. Relying on one number, that is prone to change is highly problematic.

The problem is, they do have this. They will hit up their logs and correlate the IP address with the MAC address & account that was linked that that IP at the time of supposed infringment. However, this process isn't perfect (easy to screw up times) and logs can be flawed.

Iphinome · 07-12-2011, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey

The problem is, they do have this. They will hit up their logs and correlate the IP address with the MAC address & account that was linked that that IP at the time of supposed infringment. However, this process isn't perfect (easy to screw up times) and logs can be flawed.

And mac addresses can be spoofed, people do it all the time to get past wifi filters.

mr ploppy · 07-12-2011, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stonetools

According to this STUDY

the costs are as follows:

It extrapolates from a dollar figure presumed to be the amount of net loss to piracy but it doesn't state where that figure came from. It's just "IF piracy was responsible for $6billion in lost sales per second, this is how much tax revenue governments would lose out on and how many jobs would be lost." Looks to me like it was written specifically to make uneducated government types think SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!!!!

It's pointless speculating on secondary losses until you have a true figure to start from. Otherwise at best it's guesswork. For torrented ebooks you don't even have any way of knowing how many of them will be read, never mind not purchased.

sabredog · 07-12-2011, 05:59 AM

Once the MPAA started demanding 1.5 trillion dollars from Limewire, they lost all credibility. Thank God the presiding judge was firmly grounded in reality.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government...eir-minds/8486

stonetools · 07-12-2011, 09:31 AM

Let me do publicly what I have already done privately . I apologize to Elfmark for the tone of my response to her above. Having slept on it, it is now clear to me that while the CONTENT of my post was arguably correct, the tone most certainly was not . It was strident, intemperate and self-righteous. In plain language, I was being an asshole.

I also apologize to kennyc.My post to elfmark was entirely wrong in tone, and his response to that post was a correct response to my offensive conduct to elfmark, even if wrong as to whether it was relevant.

As to the moderator, even though my post was relevant, I feel that my post violated the posting rules as to tone, and I apologize to you and the forum for that.

kennyc · 07-12-2011, 09:53 AM

As I said in PM: Thank you stonetools. While the original post certainly was in regard to ALL digital media the specific question/response above was with regard to ebooks and they really are different situations. The digital music fiasco is more or less over (IMO) and DRM/Restrictions/pricing has been resolved. I apologize for characterizing you as I did because I do see you have integrated into the community in several other discussions. This is what we need more of.

I certainly appreciate a rousing debate, but I also like to keep on target to the topic. Hopefully we can continue the discussion/debate without attacks and trolling. My apologies for my part in this.

Did not Tolstoy say, "Happy families are all alike.....and boring...."

07-11-2011, 08:53 PM	#79
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,897 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	The point is you posted irrelevant off-topic bullshit to push your own agenda. This topic is not about piracy in general, it's specifically about the publishers and internet providers ganging up on whomever they feel like depriving of bandwidth. And in the context of this forum should be related to ebooks. Now, as I said either get on topic or shut up. I've already reported your post. Last edited by kennyc; 07-11-2011 at 08:56 PM.

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vxf Guru Posts: 944 Karma: 1490348 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Norman, OK Device: Sony PRS 350, 900, 950; Kindles (ALL of them!); Kobo Aura One	Two summers ago I was spending some time in Italy, in my 'summer' home. Over there, I use a local ISP, Fastweb. At some point, I got an email saying my access would be blocked because some local law agency had flagged me for downloading pornographic material involving underage 'actors' at a particular website. The email included the name of the website - and it was the library at the University of Oklahoma - the school I still work at and where I was getting my PhD at the time. After some digging, they eventual found that the so-called porn was a file containing NYSE trading data from the CRSP database. Go figure what the heck triggered it... I just hope our US-based netcops are less incompetent.

07-12-2011, 01:55 AM	#84
montsnmags Grand Sorcerer Posts: 10,155 Karma: 4632658 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	Moderator Notice The music reference post (stonetools) was brought to the Moderator Team's attention and it was decided that it is an analogy close to the current debate. The additional in-thread follow-up comments were also brought to our attention. Personal attacks are not tolerated on MobileRead. Please take note: Everyone is entitled to share his or her opinion politely and to receive the same in response. The tone of this thread has shown that there are clearly different viewpoints, different personalities, and has moved into personal attacks. If you are unable to remain polite, it is better to refrain from posting anything. In addition, please make use of the Ignore user function [Go to your "User CP" and under "Settings & Options" you will see "Edit Ignored Users". Please place that member on your list. You may use the short cut method by just clicking on the user name, above the avatar, and at the bottom is the option to "Add **** to your Ignore List.]. If you wish to continue posting on MobileRead, please acknowledge that views differ, use the ignore function, and move on. Cheers, Marc Moderator Team

07-12-2011, 05:59 AM	#88
sabredog Geographically Restricted Posts: 2,629 Karma: 14933353 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Device: Sony PRS-T3, Kindle Voyage, iPad Air2, Nexus7v2	Once the MPAA started demanding 1.5 trillion dollars from Limewire, they lost all credibility. Thank God the presiding judge was firmly grounded in reality. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government...eir-minds/8486

07-12-2011, 09:31 AM	#89
stonetools Wizard Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone	Let me do publicly what I have already done privately . I apologize to Elfmark for the tone of my response to her above. Having slept on it, it is now clear to me that while the CONTENT of my post was arguably correct, the tone most certainly was not . It was strident, intemperate and self-righteous. In plain language, I was being an asshole. I also apologize to kennyc.My post to elfmark was entirely wrong in tone, and his response to that post was a correct response to my offensive conduct to elfmark, even if wrong as to whether it was relevant. As to the moderator, even though my post was relevant, I feel that my post violated the posting rules as to tone, and I apologize to you and the forum for that.

07-12-2011, 09:53 AM	#90
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,897 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	As I said in PM: Thank you stonetools. While the original post certainly was in regard to ALL digital media the specific question/response above was with regard to ebooks and they really are different situations. The digital music fiasco is more or less over (IMO) and DRM/Restrictions/pricing has been resolved. I apologize for characterizing you as I did because I do see you have integrated into the community in several other discussions. This is what we need more of. I certainly appreciate a rousing debate, but I also like to keep on target to the topic. Hopefully we can continue the discussion/debate without attacks and trolling. My apologies for my part in this. Did not Tolstoy say, "Happy families are all alike.....and boring...."