RIAA's new tactic can make even the innocent guilty

SameOldStory · 07-09-2011, 09:44 AM

What can be more fun than RIAA? It's like the old saying "We're from the government, and we're here to help you."

Why Your Business Should Worry About the ISP Copyright Fight
"Millions of small business owners may soon realize that their Internet service could be disrupted if they're wrongly accused of illegal file sharing or downloading under the "six strikes" plan entertainment media groups announced this week."

"Wi-Fi Hijacking Risks
Small businesses that offer customers free Wi-Fi service can only claim that a customer and not the business owner illegally shared or accessed copyright-protected content one time. This means that your business could risk connectivity problems if customers repeatedly share or download copy-right protected content."

Lets face it, they're not going to go after major companies like GM. They'll hit smaller businesses and individuals that can't effectively defend themselves.

Just where is this push coming from? Aside from RIAA, MPAA, et al. Lets try;
Obama Admin Backing New Six Strikes ISP Policy
"The agreement between the five ISPs is supposedly the work of "several powerful players" led by the Obama administration including New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D). The White House reportedly is also heavily leveraging the threat of legislation to coerce the ISPs into sticking to the policing scheme."

Of course there's more than just that;
“The ISPs want to cooperate with Hollywood because the carriers recognize that their own growth depends in part on bundled content strategies,” said Eric Garland of BigChampagne, which tracks online media traffic. “They don’t want to be just utilities providing Internet access, but premium content distributors as well.”

At this point we have this statement;
"Again, users won't be disconnected permanently, and their personal information will not be forwarded to copyright holders. That said, the ISPs reaffirmed that they still retain their right to cut off any user who violated their terms of service."

On the other hand: when they passed the Social Security System (in the US) it specifically stated that under no circumstances would your SS number be used as an ID. Right, that never happened.

When they passed driver seat belt laws (again, in the US), they said that it would never be used as a primary cause to stop your vehicle. Right, that never happened.

Early US copyright law limited copyright to "a term of "fourteen years from the time of recording the title thereof", with a right of renewal for another fourteen years if the author survived to the end of the first term." WTF happened?

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Sure.

On the bright side;
"The challenge is that consumers will continue to do whatever they wish on the Internet, and find clever ways to not attract the attention of the content companies or ISPs,” Garland said. "It will never end."

My take on all this, is that you should;

Set up the highest security encryption you can on your WiFi router.
Adjust the power/range on your router. Mine is set to 1/4 output. I have the full speed, but the curb side connection is unusable.
Set the router to not broadcast the WiFi network name.

If someone can connect to your router it will be near impossible for the average Joe to prove that they didn't do whatever they’re accused of.

khalleron · 07-09-2011, 10:27 AM

I DID have my WiFi set up to not broadcast the SSID - then I got a Nook Color which will not work if it can't read the SSID.

Sigh.

I do have mine set so that only certain devices can access it.

oddly bodkins · 07-09-2011, 10:35 AM

Yep. MAC address filtering can be a slight inconvenience when you get a new device, but the security is worth it IMO.

mr ploppy · 07-09-2011, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

"Wi-Fi Hijacking Risks
Small businesses that offer customers free Wi-Fi service can only claim that a customer and not the business owner illegally shared or accessed copyright-protected content one time. This means that your business could risk connectivity problems if customers repeatedly share or download copy-right protected content."

The logical conclusion would be businesses not offering free wifi. That will be very good news for sellers of mobile internet packages. Always look to the lobbyists with the most to gain.

bgalbrecht · 07-09-2011, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khalleron

I DID have my WiFi set up to not broadcast the SSID - then I got a Nook Color which will not work if it can't read the SSID.

Sigh.

I do have mine set so that only certain devices can access it.

That's not true. My wifi is set up to not broadcast the SSID, and my Nook Color can connect to it. It's just that you have to manually set it up by selecting "Other Network" and enter your SSID.

taustin · 07-09-2011, 03:01 PM

This is a step back from previous efforts, which were for laws mandating this sort of thing. Such laws have consistently failed to pass in the US.

This is:

1) Entirely voluntary.

2) Consists, at this point at least, entirely of ISPs who are either owned by, or own, media companies.

3) Includes weasel wording in the press releases that will let them back away if it costs them too much business.

No ISP that isn't deeply connected to big media companies has any incentive to participate. Quite the contrary. As customers of these ISPs find their service sucks even more than it did before, they will switch to independant providers that much more.

silverraven · 07-09-2011, 04:11 PM

Then let there be competition in areas. Here we only have one cable isp. And we have one DSL choice. At least where my parents are they have a cable isp, dsl isp and one by the electric company. Prices going down, quality of service going up for them!
I'm lucky my cable isp is independent, and great! I hope they stay that way. Do other people have choices?
S

6charlong · 07-09-2011, 06:11 PM

Who decides the definition of "pirated?" I've read that there is a contention between Comcast and Netflix about bandwidth and net neutrality. Comcast seems to view Netflix as direct competition using Comcast's lines and there is at least one article suggesting that the Studios don't like Netflix streaming video. Does this move suggest the major ISPs don't need a law to enforce their views?

Connallmac · 07-09-2011, 07:43 PM

[QUOTE=SameOldStory;1650672] It's like the old saying "We're from the government, and we're here to help you."...[/QUOTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

"We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Sure.

So when are you moving to the perfect Libertarian paradise, Somalia?

SameOldStory · 07-09-2011, 10:24 PM

[QUOTE=Connallmac;1651356]

Quote:

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

It's like the old saying "We're from the government, and we're here to help you."...[/QUOTE

So when are you moving to the perfect Libertarian paradise, Somalia?

Welcome back, it's been a while.

taustin · 07-09-2011, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6charlong

Who decides the definition of "pirated?"

It's defined by the law.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6charlong

I've read that there is a contention between Comcast and Netflix about bandwidth and net neutrality. Comcast seems to view Netflix as direct competition using Comcast's lines and there is at least one article suggesting that the Studios don't like Netflix streaming video. Does this move suggest the major ISPs don't need a law to enforce their views?

And this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with copyright infringement. It's a smoke screen, and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

EowynCarter · 07-10-2011, 08:21 AM

Hidding your ssid is uselless. Unless encyption is good enough, ssid can be sniffed. So can mac adresses.

-> high encrpyption level is what protect your network.

MovieBird · 07-10-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taustin

It's defined by the law.

Please post a link to a legal definition of 'pirate' or 'pirating' then.

Barcey · 07-10-2011, 11:46 AM

Interesting flagrant lie...

Quote:

The group says that the plan won't violate customer privacy

"Deep packet inspection" by it's very nature is violating customer privacy. I guess they would claim that opening all my paper mail envelopes and reading the content doesn't violate by privacy either.

elcreative · 07-10-2011, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barcey

Interesting flagrant lie...

"Deep packet inspection" by it's very nature is violating customer privacy. I guess they would claim that opening all my paper mail envelopes and reading the content doesn't violate by privacy either.

Of course it doesn't because they would immediately forget everything they read...

07-09-2011, 09:44 AM	#1
SameOldStory My True Self Posts: 3,126 Karma: 66242098 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Trantor, Galactic Center Device: Galaxy Tab 2 7.0	RIAA's new tactic can make even the innocent guilty What can be more fun than RIAA? It's like the old saying "We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Why Your Business Should Worry About the ISP Copyright Fight "Millions of small business owners may soon realize that their Internet service could be disrupted if they're wrongly accused of illegal file sharing or downloading under the "six strikes" plan entertainment media groups announced this week." "Wi-Fi Hijacking Risks Small businesses that offer customers free Wi-Fi service can only claim that a customer and not the business owner illegally shared or accessed copyright-protected content one time. This means that your business could risk connectivity problems if customers repeatedly share or download copy-right protected content." Lets face it, they're not going to go after major companies like GM. They'll hit smaller businesses and individuals that can't effectively defend themselves. Just where is this push coming from? Aside from RIAA, MPAA, et al. Lets try; Obama Admin Backing New Six Strikes ISP Policy "The agreement between the five ISPs is supposedly the work of "several powerful players" led by the Obama administration including New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D). The White House reportedly is also heavily leveraging the threat of legislation to coerce the ISPs into sticking to the policing scheme." Of course there's more than just that; “The ISPs want to cooperate with Hollywood because the carriers recognize that their own growth depends in part on bundled content strategies,” said Eric Garland of BigChampagne, which tracks online media traffic. “They don’t want to be just utilities providing Internet access, but premium content distributors as well.” At this point we have this statement; "Again, users won't be disconnected permanently, and their personal information will not be forwarded to copyright holders. That said, the ISPs reaffirmed that they still retain their right to cut off any user who violated their terms of service." On the other hand: when they passed the Social Security System (in the US) it specifically stated that under no circumstances would your SS number be used as an ID. Right, that never happened. When they passed driver seat belt laws (again, in the US), they said that it would never be used as a primary cause to stop your vehicle. Right, that never happened. Early US copyright law limited copyright to "a term of "fourteen years from the time of recording the title thereof", with a right of renewal for another fourteen years if the author survived to the end of the first term." WTF happened? "We're from the government, and we're here to help you." Sure. On the bright side; "The challenge is that consumers will continue to do whatever they wish on the Internet, and find clever ways to not attract the attention of the content companies or ISPs,” Garland said. "It will never end." My take on all this, is that you should; Set up the highest security encryption you can on your WiFi router. Adjust the power/range on your router. Mine is set to 1/4 output. I have the full speed, but the curb side connection is unusable. Set the router to not broadcast the WiFi network name. If someone can connect to your router it will be near impossible for the average Joe to prove that they didn't do whatever they’re accused of.

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07-09-2011, 10:27 AM	#2
khalleron Kate Posts: 1,700 Karma: 3605799 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oregon, United States Device: MeeBook, Kobo Libra Colour	I DID have my WiFi set up to not broadcast the SSID - then I got a Nook Color which will not work if it can't read the SSID. Sigh. I do have mine set so that only certain devices can access it.

07-09-2011, 10:35 AM	#3
oddly bodkins Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 513210 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: North Carolina Device: Aztak Pocket Pro, Palm Zire 72, IPad 2	Yep. MAC address filtering can be a slight inconvenience when you get a new device, but the security is worth it IMO.

07-09-2011, 03:01 PM	#6
taustin Wizard Posts: 1,358 Karma: 5766642 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Nook	This is a step back from previous efforts, which were for laws mandating this sort of thing. Such laws have consistently failed to pass in the US. This is: 1) Entirely voluntary. 2) Consists, at this point at least, entirely of ISPs who are either owned by, or own, media companies. 3) Includes weasel wording in the press releases that will let them back away if it costs them too much business. No ISP that isn't deeply connected to big media companies has any incentive to participate. Quite the contrary. As customers of these ISPs find their service sucks even more than it did before, they will switch to independant providers that much more.

07-09-2011, 04:11 PM	#7
silverraven Guru Posts: 970 Karma: 3438612 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle 4NTB x 4	Then let there be competition in areas. Here we only have one cable isp. And we have one DSL choice. At least where my parents are they have a cable isp, dsl isp and one by the electric company. Prices going down, quality of service going up for them! I'm lucky my cable isp is independent, and great! I hope they stay that way. Do other people have choices? S

07-09-2011, 06:11 PM	#8
6charlong friendly lurker Posts: 896 Karma: 2436026 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Device: Kindle, nook, Apple and Kobo	Who decides the definition of "pirated?" I've read that there is a contention between Comcast and Netflix about bandwidth and net neutrality. Comcast seems to view Netflix as direct competition using Comcast's lines and there is at least one article suggesting that the Studios don't like Netflix streaming video. Does this move suggest the major ISPs don't need a law to enforce their views?

07-10-2011, 08:21 AM	#12
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,337 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	Hidding your ssid is uselless. Unless encyption is good enough, ssid can be sniffed. So can mac adresses. -> high encrpyption level is what protect your network.