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Old 06-30-2011, 04:41 PM   #151
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Your point 2 is where I have to disagree with you. You have a nook. That means that, if you wanted to buy, say, a Sony, you'd be able to read on your Sony only those books which you hadn't bought from B&N. So you need to keep track of where every book came from. Isn't that actually a more complex situation than Kindle owners face?
very true, all my BN books will be with my nook, no transferring.

No, it's not too complex, on the original nook they are actually separated BN library and My Documents.

And also all your books that you bought from other sources would be in either your ADE library and or your Calibre library and a Folder if you created one on your desktop. So they are already separated by nature, if you will.
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Kobo too. And if he wanted to buy, say, a Kindle, he couldn't bring over any of those epubs. Poor, poor locked in nook owner.
or Locked out Kindle. Kindle is the one with the wall up. All they have to do is support ADE ePub like EVERY SINGLE EREADER on the market and this whole back and forth would be moot.
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No, my point, again, since you keep ignoring it, is that the possible lock in (not being able to take your books to another device or to get the books you want) is a a POTENTIAL issue on the nook, and other devices, as well as the Kindle, and is an ACTUAL issue for virtually no one.

It has nothing to do with open formats, mobi or otherwise.

And by the way, you made another misstatement: The Kindle supports several open formats. Text, and HTML for example, which accounts for WHOLE lot of available content.

It's not terribly relevant, but it would be nice to have the details stated correctly.
well not that you changing the context of the argument midstream or nothing, sort of like "Calvin Rules" .(from Calvin and Hobbs)

Your argument has always been that you aren't locked in because of Mobi, so when pointed out to you that the selection stinks to high heavem unless you want a math book, you switched context of the argument

That's ok, but I have no argument with you here. If I change ereaders to a Sony or Kobo etc. then I would have the same problem as a kindle owner to the degree of any and all my books would have to stay with my nook. But and here's the big BUT. The fact that the nook orignially supports ePub means all my books that are bought through ePub can come with me.
So as said about 10 post's ago, 40% of my library can come with me as opposed to 0% of the Kindle and I will stand by the fact I think 40% is better than 0% but I feeling a sense of deja vu here. Did we not already go over this ?
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:13 PM   #155
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Your argument has always been that you aren't locked in because of Mobi,
Um...no....

The existence of non-drm mobi stuff has come up in when people say "you can only get Kindle books at Amazon" as a simple matter of stating the fact that it's not so. But that has never been point in these lock-in threads. Look at EVERY TIME I've said "my point...."

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So as said about 10 post's ago, 40% of my library can come with me as opposed to 0% of the Kindle and I will stand by the fact I think 40% is better than 0%
So from now on when you warn people about lock-in/lock out on the Kindle, you will also warn them of the (40% less) lock-in/out on the nook?
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Um...no....

The existence of non-drm mobi stuff has come up in when people say "you can only get Kindle books at Amazon" as a simple matter of stating the fact that it's not so. But that has never been point in these lock-in threads. Look at EVERY TIME I've said "my point...."



So from now on when you warn people about lock-in/lock out on the Kindle, you will also warn them of the (40% less) lock-in/out on the nook?
I don't warn anybody. This whole thing starte when a poster far back said it was unfair to the kindle because it didn't support ePub because of the selection Amazon has. And just merely pointed out that yes it is fair when making comparisons for the two reason I have stated multiple times.
taking advantage of shopping at other store ie coupons etc and the ability to bring your epub library with you. That was it And both statements are true and are not mis statements about the kindle.
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You really don't have to limit yourself to one or the other.
Reading the forums here over the last few weeks would indicate otherwise. You need to select one or the other then defend your choice to the death, like you're protecting your sister's virtue.
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Reading the forums here over the last few weeks would indicate otherwise. You need to select one or the other then defend your choice to the death, like you're protecting your sister's virtue.
If you are refering to this thread then it seems like either you're not understanding or not paying attention, but you feel compelled to participate in the thread with demeaning comments anyway.
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If you are refering to this thread then it seems like either you're not understanding or not paying attention, but you feel compelled to participate in the thread with demeaning comments anyway.
he's referring to the immature habit of ppl like me who attack other readers/reader companies.
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If you are refering to this thread then it seems like either you're not understanding or not paying attention, but you feel compelled to participate in the thread with demeaning comments anyway.
No, I was paying attention... or at least trying to. After watching another thread derail over 6 pages I got bored, then hungry, then a little sleepy.

Nothing I said in my previous post was directed specifically towards you, you read into it what you wanted to see. I think you may be taking this a little too personally.
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No, I was paying attention.
I said that because this has been mostly (well, if not mostly, then ostensibly) about how to correctly describe issues of DRM and format, and a lot more unfair attacking then defending, and mostly by people with several devices, not owners of just one defending their own.

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well not that you changing the context of the argument midstream or nothing, sort of like "Calvin Rules" .(from Calvin and Hobbs)

Your argument has always been that you aren't locked in because of Mobi, so when pointed out to you that the selection stinks to high heavem unless you want a math book, you switched context of the argument

That's ok, but I have no argument with you here. If I change ereaders to a Sony or Kobo etc. then I would have the same problem as a kindle owner to the degree of any and all my books would have to stay with my nook. But and here's the big BUT. The fact that the nook orignially supports ePub means all my books that are bought through ePub can come with me.
So as said about 10 post's ago, 40% of my library can come with me as opposed to 0% of the Kindle and I will stand by the fact I think 40% is better than 0% but I feeling a sense of deja vu here. Did we not already go over this ?
This is somewhat true, but this all boils down to DRM. I do not know if B&N epub DRM books can be transferred over to devices such as the SONY PRS and the Kobo touch.

Calibre makes this argument void if you are talking about non-DRM books. Yes there is a hassle of converting your library to another file format from my understanding, but what I would really like to see are said epub books that are not available in .mobi format.

Every non-DRM ebook that I have searched for on Feedbooks is available in the popular ebook file formats (epub, .mobi, pdf) likewise the manybooks.net and likewise project gutenberg.

Not meaning to create a sequeway, but the Kobo has the advantage when it comes to international books. You can purchase more foreign language books from the Kobo store than any other ereader bookstore. These books are mostly available in the ePub format, but since you cannot purchase these books directly from the store on a Nook, you have to sideload it onto your Nook. If you want it on your Kindle, you can download it, convert it, then you can either load it directly onto your Kindle or email it.

Yes your library will follow you, but you have to do work to have it follow you. You have to convert your kindle books files over to an epub format and manually load it onto another device, whereas you pop in the SD card with the Nook. In this aspect the Nook is the winner.


Can we all just get along though?

I bought a Nook STR and I own a Kindle 3 as well. You have won APK and boswd. Let's have some steak.
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This is somewhat true, but this all boils down to DRM. I do not know if B&N epub DRM books can be transferred over to devices such as the SONY PRS and the Kobo touch.

Calibre makes this argument void if you are talking about non-DRM books. Yes there is a hassle of converting your library to another file format from my understanding, but what I would really like to see are said epub books that are not available in .mobi format.

Every non-DRM ebook that I have searched for on Feedbooks is available in the popular ebook file formats (epub, .mobi, pdf) likewise the manybooks.net and likewise project gutenberg.

Not meaning to create a sequeway, but the Kobo has the advantage when it comes to international books. You can purchase more foreign language books from the Kobo store than any other ereader bookstore. These books are mostly available in the ePub format, but since you cannot purchase these books directly from the store on a Nook, you have to sideload it onto your Nook. If you want it on your Kindle, you can download it, convert it, then you can either load it directly onto your Kindle or email it.

Yes your library will follow you, but you have to do work to have it follow you. You have to convert your kindle books files over to an epub format and manually load it onto another device, whereas you pop in the SD card with the Nook. In this aspect the Nook is the winner.


Can we all just get along though?

I bought a Nook STR and I own a Kindle 3 as well. You have won APK and boswd. Let's have some steak.
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