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Old 06-23-2011, 02:35 PM   #241
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it wouldn't be one you can see while reading. but it will be locked in your copy so if you make a hundred copies and pass them out those copies can be traced to you.
If I buy a book that I origionally download on to an old used laptop that I payed cashfor at the garage sale I passed on the road going to visit great aunt Bertha...
Using a WiFi signal from a resturaunt I park outside of as my wife goes in to use the ladies room...
And Pay with a Preloaded Mastercard from the checout at walmart - also bought with cash...

They can trace what, exactly?

This isn't a utility bill, and no proof of residence or photo ID is required anywhere along the way.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:35 PM   #242
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You didn't. We were just trying to point out who it was you were correcting.
And if you WERE trying to start a fight with DiapDealer, then unless you happen be, say, Dark Reverser under another name, it would not have been much of a fight.
I truely was not. There is a big different between fighting (i.e. to "win") and attacking something you think is wrong. It turns out in this case that I was wrong and not up to date.

[Anyway, lets get back on topic, sorry for the diversion.]
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:36 PM   #243
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Can someone please explain to me how digital watermarking isn't digital rights management (DRM)?

If the answer is "it doesn't lock you into a device!" then I have a different, broader definition of DRM than that. (Perhaps I'm wrong.)
It is DRM; it's generally called "social DRM". eReader have been using it for many years - you have to unlock an eReader book with the number of the credit card used to purchase it.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:36 PM   #244
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If I buy a book that I origionally download on to an old used laptop that I payed cashfor at the garage sale I passed on the road going to visit great aunt Bertha...
Using a WiFi signal from a resturaunt I park outside of as my wife goes in to use the ladies room...
And Pay with a Preloaded Mastercard from the checout at walmart - also bought with cash...

They can trace what, exactly?

This isn't a utility bill, and no proof of residence or photo ID is required anywhere along the way.
Which is why I fear that your CC# is getting slapped into that epub. Or a representation of it.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:38 PM   #245
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Which is why I fear that your CC# is getting slapped into that epub. Or a representation of it.
Why? eReader have been doing exactly that for goodness-knows how many years. It's an accepted DRM mechanism.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:39 PM   #246
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ePub is really the only eBook format that can duplicate the book experience with all the different fonts used in the books. I hope they do stuff like that.
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:39 PM   #247
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Wired magazine published an excellent article. They seem to feel sure this is an important new direction for eBooks in general....
Wired also thinks that anything that's remotely affected by electrons is an Important New Direction.

I'm sure someone mentioned it by now, but Paidcontent believes Overdrive will provide the platform services, which would explain a few recent developments. http://paidcontent.org/article/419-y...r-e-bookstore/
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:39 PM   #248
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It is DRM; it's generally called "social DRM". eReader have been using it for many years - you have to unlock an eReader book with the number of the credit card used to purchase it.
Right, B&N uses this.

But -- and this is crucial to me, perhaps wrongly so -- the CC# isn't stored in the epub file which is sent over the 3G/WiFi.

As far as I know, if you hacked my computer and grabbed my downloaded B&N books, you wouldn't be able to extract my CC# from my epub copy of "Vampire Little Women.

Am I wrong?

ALSO: If Digital Watermarks are DRM, and I think they are, then the meme that the HP books are "DRM FREE!" needs to be quashed now.
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Why? eReader have been doing exactly that for goodness-knows how many years. It's an accepted DRM mechanism.
Not by me. Ouch !
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Why? eReader have been doing exactly that for goodness-knows how many years. It's an accepted DRM mechanism.
Because unless I've misunderstood something, the idea of making it possible to identify who purchased the ebook FROM the epub file is NOT what ereaders have been doing.

I buy from Kobo, I get an Adobe DRM book. You need my credentials to read it, yes, but if someone hacks my computer and grabs the file (or intercepts it during download), they can't extract my credentials. My name, my credit card information, etc. are NOT embedded in the epub coming from the Adobe servers.

Same with the B&N social DRM -- I don't think it's possible to intercept the download and extract the CC# from the epub, because I don't think the CC# is IN the epub.

Rowling Inc is saying that if they download an HP copy off of torrent, then can crack that file open and find a person. Therefore, the person's identify must be IN that file, or linked to their database. THAT is new, or am I wrong?
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I just figured out an interesting connection with Pottermore and Sony. Rowling said this was happening in October. What else happens in October?

NEW SONY READERS!
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I just figured out an interesting connection with Pottermore and Sony. Rowling said this was happening in October. What else happens in October?

NEW SONY READERS!
Yeah, the other thread actually mentioned a possibility for "HP themed" Sony readers.

RESERVE YOUR SONY SNAPE TODAY!
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I just figured out an interesting connection with Pottermore and Sony. Rowling said this was happening in October. What else happens in October?

NEW SONY READERS!
Also Halloween happens.

And the Library of Congress begins accepting input for DMCA exemptions.

Coincidence...?
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Honestly anything on DRM, even thier non existance, seams pure speculation at this point. If someone have an official source ?
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Great. We will have harry potter branded sony readers that will come preloaded with all the books and in order to secure them you will not be able to load anything else on them
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