Sony or Nook Touch

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

That's a work-around at least.

EDIT: Oh, wait, yeah. You said same file/name/structure. Yeah, I don't do that -- I have different folders for Read/To-Read. N2 wouldn't work for me.

I have three metadata columns in Calibre:

1. Genre (fiction, non-fiction, fanfiction, etc.)
2. Source (Feedbooks, NetGalley, Samshwords, etc.)
3. Reviewed (reviewed, unreviewed, dnf)

The SD card is loaded with nested folders according to that data, which the PocketBook 360 reads; the Sony collections grabs the metadata quite nicely.

Well, thank god for Calibre.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by SCION

If that's the sentiment of Development, then there will be no improvements.

Not to mention, isn't the fast browsing a little touchy in terms of stopping on the EXACT page you want? I look forward to zipping through to the Ts and then backtracking to the Qs.

Is it really such heresy these days to say that a certain device isn't 100% perfect? I don't understand it.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Well, thank god for Calibre.

I do, every day.

Seriously, that Calibre development team needs another donation from me. I should do that tonight.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

Is it really such heresy these days to say that a certain device isn't 100% perfect? I don't understand it.

Of course not.
But 'not perfect' is a long shot away from 'utterly worthless' and 'broken' - these are your words.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Of course not.
But 'not perfect' is a long shot away from 'utterly worthless' and 'broken' - these are your words.

The DEVICE isn't. The SHELVING FEATURE is. Imho.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

The DEVICE isn't. The SHELVING FEATURE is. Imho.

Without Calibre would you have such an easy time to organise your book on your Sony?

[viviena]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Without Calibre would you have such an easy time to organise your book on your Sony?

Could always use the Sony Reader Library software on one's computer too. Calibre depends on tags and other textual input (I believe there are GUI plugins for Sony collections too now?), the SRL is good for those that want to work with a more intuitive, drag-and-drop interface for organising collections. I use Calibre because it's quicker for me, but from my own experience the SRL manages collections very well.

(I also can't believe this thread is still going. It's like bait for every Kindle/Nook/Sony fanboy or girl out there.)

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by viviena

Could always use the Sony Reader Library software on one's computer too. Calibre depends on tags and other textual input (I believe there are GUI plugins for Sony collections too now?), the SRL is good for those that want to work with a more intuitive, drag-and-drop interface for organising collections. I use Calibre because it's quicker for me, but from my own experience the SRL manages collections very well.

(I also can't believe this thread is still going. It's like bait for every Kindle/Nook/Sony fanboy or girl out there.)

And how do you organise your books on your Sony without extra software on your PC?

[viviena]

Originally Posted by ST-One

And how do you organise your books on your Sony without extra software on your PC?

Well... you do it on the device itself. Having options is nice, isn't it?

(Sometimes on the device I add to a collection the occasional book that I've missed when the device was connected to the computer. It's pretty simple to do.)

EDIT: It occurred to me that perhaps you were asking if there's a way to organise collections on the Sony device using the computer when connected via USB without Calibre or the SRL. In that case, nope. Can the Nook do that via Windows Explorer or something?

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by viviena

Well... you do it on the device itself. Having options is nice, isn't it?

(Sometimes on the device I add to a collection the occasional book that I've missed when the device was connected to the computer. It's pretty simple to do.)

EDIT: It occurred to me that perhaps you were asking if there's a way to organise collections on the Sony device using the computer when connected via USB without Calibre or the SRL. In that case, nope. Can the Nook do that via Windows Explorer or something?

Not that I'm aware of.

But it seems that, without extra software and a PC, creating collections, adding to and removing from them is just as manual a task on the Sony as on the Nook.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Without Calibre would you have such an easy time to organise your book on your Sony?

Yes, with the Sony Reader software. No reason the NOOK desktop applications can't function in the same manner. That's one possible solution.

Edit: I'm posting after your responses to someone else.

If it were true that Sony also allows you to organize and manage your shelves online, what would you say then? "If you remove the desktop applications, online management, and calibre recognition, the Sony would still have manual shelf management as the NOOK".

I don't understand the emotional attachment to these devices. If someone says they're not pleased with a feature or lack thereof and they clearly articulate why that's the case for them, so what. Continuing to champion B&N's implementation of shelves is irksome.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Without Calibre would you have such an easy time to organise your book on your Sony?

Yes.

You know why? Because Sony has left a programmatic interface open from the device so that a computer program can hook into the device and add the collections data. B&N has left their device closed.

I'm a software engineer, my husband is a software engineer, my dad is a software engineer, and almost all of my Real Life friends are software engineers, several of whom own eReaders. If Calibre didn't exist or hadn't been already programmed to send data to the Sony device, one or more of us would invent something that did.

Sony left the collections programmatically open; B&N left the shelves programmatically closed. THAT is what matters in this discussion.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by ST-One

Not that I'm aware of.

But it seems that, without extra software and a PC, creating collections, adding to and removing from them is just as manual a task on the Sony as on the Nook.

No it isn't.

You know why? With Sony, I have to do it once. Once my stuff is organized in Calibre, I can plug in a Sony 950 or a Sony 650 or a Sony 350, and they will all automatically receive all the shelving data.

I have a Nook Classic AND a Nook Color. The shelving data cannot be shared between the two. My 300 books from B&N would have to each be shelved TWICE -- once on the Nook Classic and once on the Nook Color. If I bought a Nook Simple Touch, I'd have to do it a third time. It's duplication (and triplication, and quadruplication...) of work with no added benefit to the user. (And, additionally, it teaches them not to upgrade devices.)

And if the device ever resets to factory settings -- which mine once did after an update -- you have to do it all over again.

A system that cannot be shared between similar devices and cannot be backed up in event of catastrophe IS worthless. Basic programming 101.

[ST-One]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

No it isn't.

You know why? With Sony, I have to do it once. Once my stuff is organized in Calibre, I can plug in a Sony 950 or a Sony 650 or a Sony 350, and they will all automatically receive all the shelving data.

It would be very nice if this would work with the Nook too.

Still, how does a person that doesn't use Calibre or any other library programme sort their books on their Sony?
Is that, the actual sorting on the device that different than on the Nook?

[CommonReader]

Originally Posted by ST-One

It would be very nice if this would work with the Nook too.

Still, how does a person that doesn't use Calibre or any other library programme sort their books on their Sony?
Is that, the actual sorting on the device that different than on the Nook?

Why wouldn't someone use a library program? Unless you have so few books that the sorting issue doesn't matter anyway you will most likely get a library program. No point in raising hypothetical scenarios..