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What do you do with a written paper? Print it out and archive it physically, or do you resort to digital? What about when writing the paper - do you work on it digitally and rely on digital storage and archiving, or do you type it by hand and/or typewriter? Btw, I usually take notes on a separate paperpad. And then when I have written what I needed the notes for, I toss them away (or burn them). |
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(1) I'm in the process of editing that post and had already taken out the word hobbyist precisely because it could be construed to mean dilettante, as you've taken it to mean here and which wasn't my intention at all.
(2) Since your response to my post is making certain of the same points I've just made, and since my purpose was not to dismiss note-takers or the need for backups, as others have done here, I humbly suggest that you reread it and glean my actual position before investing my words with that of some other adversary. Backup copies aren't as necessary for physical books because books are immediately accessible in the physical sense. They don't disappear whenever your host device happens to crash. That possibility is very real, however, for students who need to review all of their notes again before taking a test or writing a paper. And while your lack of attachment to your own notes might seem to you to be admirably pragmatic, it is perhaps unrealistic to expect everyone to use and treat their notes exactly as you treat yours. Quote:
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I am fully aware that some people think modern technology is much better than anything old and vice versa. I am pointing out that the arguments you put forth for not having notes in digital form aren't rational. Just like my use of a fountain pen is only seemingly rational (lefty etc.). In reality, is just a method I have found that works for me, and I don't claim there is something inherently wrong with typing, as you seem to do for having notes in a digital format. Oh, btw, you mention that "professionals can't afford to have it in digital form", all the while accusing me of claiming that my way is the right way (in other words, that is). The problem is, of course, that I do take notes for a living. I'm a journalist, and I happen to be able to "afford" having things in a digital format despite me taking notes for a living (among other things). By that you have actually done exactly what you accused me of doing: That your way is the only way for a professional who has to rely on his notes. Last edited by AGB; 06-11-2011 at 02:38 PM. Reason: Clarification, grammar etc. |
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What's ironic is that your accusation of dishonesty itself appears dishonest. By accusing me of "changing my mind," you ignore the acknowledged intention of public revision and moderation, which is to be clear and polite for the sake of civility. This seems a rather suspect lapse of understanding. Are you forgetting the forum's context in your zeal to make accusations, or are you misrepresenting your profession in order to sound authoritative? Out of respect, I'll assume you've simply forgotten the forum-specific context of my original post.
No one asked you to "edit your post," nor did I "change my mind" about what I'd said. I merely did what any moderator on any board would prefer: Substituted a different word to make the possibility of charged misinterpretations less likely. You appear to refuse to accept this because you wish to fight. I find it difficult to believe you haven't understood. Your refusal to allow my explanation of my own intent as to my own words, and your subsequent rejection of my revision -- prior to your first post -- in the name of tact, is not credible. It is, rather, ad hominem barking. You then continue this ad hominem barking with remarkable gusto: Quote:
AGP: I didn't say that my way was the right way, nor that yours was wrong. I said that note-taking by writing in books and manuscripts is a standard way in which students and manuscript editors have worked traditionally. It isn't the only approved way but rather the most common way. For that reason, common practices of students and professionals should be taken into consideration when designing a reader's note-taking software. When a device is created for the common market, common use must be considered whether it is one's own way of working or not, and whether it is the "rightest" way or not. The presumption of superiority on my part is entirely yours. The pitch of the accusation suggests some sort of history that predates my participation on this thread. My original post was friendly, my second, polite. Your consistent attempts to degrade the level of the conversation, and your seizing on your own suspicions and theories as to others' motives as if they were facts, don't speak well of your reliability. For all I know, you might be a tremendous journalist, but your best side hasn't been displayed here. You've been hectoring me, some faceless guy on the internet, over harmlessly intended word choices. I doubt your readers would find that sort of thing interesting. The pitch of your indignation has had nothing to do with anything I've said, implied or felt. You need to take responsibility for your own emotions and mindset. And this conversation needs to return to its earlier mode of mutual good will. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-11-2011 at 05:22 PM. |
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Secondly, where am I substituting words? Oh, you mean I paraphrased a tiny bit of what you said, and made it clear I was paraphrasing? Yes, that surely smacks of intellectual dishonesty, doesn't it? ![]() Quote:
You have time and time again refused to see any positive side to digital. You first tried to make an appeal to authority, by claiming "professionals", people who relied on note taking and notes, needed to have them on paper. You then tried to seem rational by listing your preferences and fears and pass them off as a need (i.e. digital will break down, you will only have them in one place, what if the device breaks down when you are to begin a paper, and so on). And when that too failed, you resorted to questioning how good I am at my job and other such idiocy. Quote:
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You know, like you have done, while changing what you "meant" numerous times in this discussion. Quote:
[quite]You've hectoring me, some faceless guy on the internet, over harmlessly intended word choices.[/quote] Yes, by all means play the victim card again. Quote:
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And this is the truth about most tech blogs and their journalists. They don't get the whole e-book thing because they don't have a NEED for it. They are too busy going over HTML5, iDevices, and other gadgets and aren't the same people who will sit down and read a screen all day. Another thing is that most of those people aren't wanting to gamble with their money on these e-books. You can either buy two books or get 20,000 songs on iTunes Match. Which do you think will win? I think the biggest failure for e-readers is the fact that there are too many people in this world who are illiterate and can't use them. A lot of us don't have the eyesight for them either. I think e-books are priced okay. They'll last you longer than a book, that's for sure. I'm happy that I don't have to deal with the millions of paper cuts I've gotten through the years! They'll be there even after your device dies because they're in a server. As for using them for design purposes... Come on... Do you really only buy YELLOW books to match your YELLOW walls? I didn't think so! |
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1. Granted that you don't see an unfinished ebook lying round but people tend to ignore pbooks that they haven't finished reading too. 2. If you have more than 3,500 books you can't keep them all on one device, but there are these things called DVD's which can hold 1000's of book files. 3. Written notes only help you if you can read your own handwriting. 4. Pbooks were once very cheap and mass produced as well (after the invention of moving type) you can still see books in used bookstores that originally sold for under a $1.00 but which now are several dollars at least. 5. Books shouldn't be just something that dresses up a room anyway. A coffee table book might stimulate a conversation but the first task of a book is to entertain or inform I think. |
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Depending on the book, there might not actually be enough room to discuss things with the author. Some classic anthology books have font-sizes only suitable for pixies and ants.
There are ways to markup a book without needing a journal, or irking the next person you resell the book to though. Here is a link as an example: http://www.coolhunting.com/design/transparent-pos.php I don't think the ability to lend a book only once for 14 or even 21 days is good enough. When you give someone an old book, it stays with the other person unless they give it back. I'd be willing to pay a small transfer fee for giving my ebook copy to someone else just because someone has to build and maintain a system to make such a thing possible. Ironically, Amazon and their ability to retroactively delete ebooks without your consent seems to me like the company with the infrastructure most suited to make such a thing a reality. Of course, ebook sellers could simply rely on the honor system, but that would need a majority of customers to be completely honest most of the time. There's just something to be said about giving someone a book out of your own collection instead of buying them a copy or sending them a gift card. |
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In the last few pages someone had scrawled, in a type-face large enough to cover a double-page spread and using a fat-tip purple felt pen, 'She likes a piece of cake, to clear her belly-ache'. I don't think the loss of such textual analysis is a great price to pay for migration to the digital age. |
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