BookDesigner update - Page 17

Strether · 03-09-2008, 01:47 PM

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As for pasting, just choose 'select all' then 'copy' from the edit menu of the source document, open BD, then choose 'paste' from its edit menu.

The main annoyance of this method is that all the emdashes will appear as hyphens. There is a workaround: in the source document, use 'find and replace' to replace emdashes with #. Paste into BD. Then use 'find and replace to substitute emdashes for #.

Brilliant! Thanks, Patricia. Had recently had problems converting material from an on-line site that uses white lettering on a dark background. Loaded into BD the normal way, BD would run its normal routine, as you could follow at the bottom of the screen, and then produce one blank page. If you used the reformat command, it would give you the whole document, but sometimes the paragraphing would be dodgy, and it wouldn't reproduce italics. Tried one this morning and it worked perfectly using the "keep original formatting" command. The work-around worked perfectly, too.

And thanks to Harry, too, for letting us know that there was this option.

Jim

JSWolf · 03-09-2008, 03:55 PM

Strether, a better way to do it is to load the file into Word, clean it up and then save as RTF and load into Book Designer. if you past in, you lose the benefit of Book Cleaner and somethings are messed up that way because of the lack pre-processing that Book Cleaner does when you load into Book Designer. If you are not using Book Cleaner, have a look here..

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11649

Strether · 03-09-2008, 04:07 PM

Yeah, I agree, Jon, but this particular specimen doesn't clean up in Word, or at least not anyway that I've tried. Something about the formatting of it, I'd guess, but I don't have the computer smarts to be able to change it. At least pasting it into BD provides me with a work-around.

And I do have Book Cleaner installed; a very useful program, indeed.

Jim

astra · 03-09-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Strether, a better way to do it is to load the file into Word, clean it up and then save as RTF and load into Book Designer. if you past in, you lose the benefit of Book Cleaner and somethings are messed up that way because of the lack pre-processing that Book Cleaner does when you load into Book Designer. If you are not using Book Cleaner, have a look here..

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11649

How do you cleant a file in Word?
I heard about stingo macro, but how to do use apply it? I have never used macros before.

RWood · 03-09-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

How do you cleant a file in Word?
I heard about stingo macro, but how to do use apply it? I have never used macros before.

Stingo's Macro is here. There are instructions in the thread to install it in MS Word. You then assign a key sequence to invoke it. (I use Cntl H-Z since all of my user defined keys for shortcuts start with ^H.)

I load the text into Word and then fix any items that I know from experience will be a problem. After that I execute the macro and let it run its course.

There are areas that I will have to patch afterwards such as books that mix verse with prose. For these I keep an original copy of the file and will cut and paste the verse from the original into the macro corrected copy.

I hope this helps.

Patricia · 03-09-2008, 09:13 PM

If you don't fancy setting up a key sequence then just go to 'tools', select 'macros' then select 'run macro'.

RWood · 03-09-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

If you don't fancy setting up a key sequence then just go to 'tools', select 'macros' then select 'run macro'.

I guess I spent too many years in DOS and the old Word for DOS program (I always liked it better than Word Perfect.) Italic is Cntl-I and bold is Cntl-B. I always do as much as I can from the keyboard and resort to the mouse on an as needed basis. Old habits die hard.

JSWolf · 03-09-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Strether

Yeah, I agree, Jon, but this particular specimen doesn't clean up in Word, or at least not anyway that I've tried. Something about the formatting of it, I'd guess, but I don't have the computer smarts to be able to change it. At least pasting it into BD provides me with a work-around.

And I do have Book Cleaner installed; a very useful program, indeed.

Jim

If the file has em dashes replace them with --. That way you can search & replace them back in. Otherwise you lose them and have to do it manually.

Strether · 03-09-2008, 11:10 PM

This has (space) hyphen (space) in lieu of emdashes, but you can do a find and replace with # in Word and then paste it into BD and use BD's find and replace to give you emdashes. Works very well.

That was actually the least of my problem with this. Getting BD to accept it with proper paragraphing while keeping italics is a real bonus.

Jim

JSWolf · 03-10-2008, 01:02 AM

The problem (recently discovered) is that Book Designer has problems with paragraphs when the paragraphs are not all one line. One line being no return until the end of the paragraph. Even if there is a line space to seperate BD can still can get it wrong. The best way to make sure your paragraphs are oK is to use Word rto make sure there are no broken lines in the paragraphs. Then save as RTF, load into BD and you are a go.

Example...

This is a paragraph
test. I hope it passes
the test.

That would possible load as two paragraphs. If it had only a return after test. then it would load fine.

Ret · 03-10-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gudy

It certainly is. If you do switch from "keep original format" to "reformat completely", be aware that the two can (and often do) give very different results. I've had input files were one of those options produced a Book Designer file that would have taken hours to clean up, while the other allowed me to have the conversion done in ten to fifteen minutes.

I'm afraid that setting language to "german" and format options to "keep original format" still deletes all "œ" in the text. I guess I should work with "re-format completely" settings...

JSWolf · 03-10-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ret

I'm afraid that setting language to "german" and format options to "keep original format" still deletes all "œ" in the text. I guess I should work with "re-format completely" settings...

How do you have oe in your file? I do not have a problem with oe as long as it is just plain text. Before you load your file, if you can, replace all œ with oe and you'll be fine. No need to have œ instead of oe. Of course, you can try Book Cleaner to fix œ into oe on load.

Patricia · 03-10-2008, 05:48 PM

I think that one can have 'œ 'in old spellings (e.g. œconomy, fœtid, fœtus etc)). I usually search for the œ and ae characters and change them to two separate letters 'oe' and 'ae'. And I do this in the source document before I drop it into BD.

RWood · 03-10-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

I think that one can have 'œ 'in old spellings (e.g. œconomy, fœtid, fœtus etc)). I usually search for the œ and ae characters and change them to two separate letters 'oe' and 'ae'. And I do this in the source document before I drop it into BD.

I wish I was more consistent in my practices. I have done it both ways. I try to always make AE one character if it was that way in the original text. At least I think I have been consistent within each book. (hope, keep fingers crossed)

Ret · 03-11-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

How do you have oe in your file? I do not have a problem with oe as long as it is just plain text. Before you load your file, if you can, replace all œ with oe and you'll be fine. No need to have œ instead of oe. Of course, you can try Book Cleaner to fix œ into oe on load.

I have an RTF document.
I'm reading in french and that's why I have so many o those characters. I'd like to keep them if possible.

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03-09-2008, 03:55 PM	#242
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,727 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Strether, a better way to do it is to load the file into Word, clean it up and then save as RTF and load into Book Designer. if you past in, you lose the benefit of Book Cleaner and somethings are messed up that way because of the lack pre-processing that Book Cleaner does when you load into Book Designer. If you are not using Book Cleaner, have a look here.. https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11649

03-09-2008, 04:07 PM	#243
Strether Guru Posts: 765 Karma: 2825929 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fresno Device: Kindle 1; iPad Air; iPhone 7; Kobo Libra; Kindle Oasis 3	Yeah, I agree, Jon, but this particular specimen doesn't clean up in Word, or at least not anyway that I've tried. Something about the formatting of it, I'd guess, but I don't have the computer smarts to be able to change it. At least pasting it into BD provides me with a work-around. And I do have Book Cleaner installed; a very useful program, indeed. Jim

03-09-2008, 09:13 PM	#246
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	If you don't fancy setting up a key sequence then just go to 'tools', select 'macros' then select 'run macro'.

03-09-2008, 11:10 PM	#249
Strether Guru Posts: 765 Karma: 2825929 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fresno Device: Kindle 1; iPad Air; iPhone 7; Kobo Libra; Kindle Oasis 3	This has (space) hyphen (space) in lieu of emdashes, but you can do a find and replace with # in Word and then paste it into BD and use BD's find and replace to give you emdashes. Works very well. That was actually the least of my problem with this. Getting BD to accept it with proper paragraphing while keeping italics is a real bonus. Jim

03-10-2008, 01:02 AM	#250
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,727 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The problem (recently discovered) is that Book Designer has problems with paragraphs when the paragraphs are not all one line. One line being no return until the end of the paragraph. Even if there is a line space to seperate BD can still can get it wrong. The best way to make sure your paragraphs are oK is to use Word rto make sure there are no broken lines in the paragraphs. Then save as RTF, load into BD and you are a go. Example... This is a paragraph test. I hope it passes the test. That would possible load as two paragraphs. If it had only a return after test. then it would load fine.

03-10-2008, 05:48 PM	#253
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	I think that one can have 'œ 'in old spellings (e.g. œconomy, fœtid, fœtus etc)). I usually search for the œ and ae characters and change them to two separate letters 'oe' and 'ae'. And I do this in the source document before I drop it into BD.