Speculation thread: How will Amazon react to new Nook and Kobo? - Page 10

alansplace · 06-02-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AkumaTakeshi

I also think it's more useful than the current directional buttons.
But everyone likes different things, so hard to please everybody.

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

:Shrugs: To each his own. I liked it better than I like the 5-way on the K3.

i was forever trying to press down and it registered either left, right, up or down instead. never once has this happened on my k3. then finally the joystick ended up splitting and amazon ended up replacing it (free, which was nice and i gave it to my wife which was also nice).

tomsem · 06-02-2011, 03:10 PM

Sony's touch screen optionally uses an included stylus, which I assume would also work on the Nook and Kobo screens, which use the same IR technology. Kind of old fashioned perhaps but very flexible and familiar. For the fingerprint-phobic, and others besides.

(Note that of these 3, only Sony seems to allow annotation, unless you consider bookmarks 'annotation'. I don't use this feature on Kindle much, but I would not be without it.)

I just want enough buttons to navigate to a book, open and turn pages. Thus Nook would work, Kobo would not. Beyond that, I'm happy to touch the screen (or use a stylus) to get to everything else. An option to tether a Bluetooth keyboard/trackpad might be nice for more specialized usage.

Harmon · 06-03-2011, 07:45 PM

Tried the new Nook today. Bezel is a little too wide so the device seems oddly proportioned. Idiot on the staff attached the security device to the face side of the lower right hand corner, exactly where you would hold the EBR to read it. Same guy who puts the price labels on top of the ingredients list or the cooking directions, or over the drink hole on cans of coke...

DiapDealer · 06-03-2011, 07:50 PM

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Same guy who puts the price labels on top of the ingredients list or the cooking directions, or over the drink hole on cans of coke...

I've met that guy. I'm surprised he's recovered enough to be up to his old tricks again already.

jocampo · 06-03-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

Tried the new Nook today. Bezel is a little too wide so the device seems oddly proportioned. Idiot on the staff attached the security device to the face side of the lower right hand corner, exactly where you would hold the EBR to read it. Same guy who puts the price labels on top of the ingredients list or the cooking directions, or over the drink hole on cans of coke...

OtterBooks · 06-06-2011, 04:35 AM

imo if Amazon wants to make a big one-up, in addition to a new generation screen, they'll make it 6.25-6.5" or something while trimming the enclosure down to compensate (via a touch/button hybrid). Just enough to give it some nice extra real estate without a significant size compromise.

Even a 6.25" display would be enough to push it over the top, competitively.

HarryT · 06-06-2011, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OtterBooks

imo if Amazon wants to make a big one-up, in addition to a new generation screen, they'll make it 6.25-6.5" or something while trimming the enclosure down to compensate (via a touch/button hybrid). Just enough to give it some nice extra real estate without a significant size compromise.

Even a 6.25" display would be enough to push it over the top, competitively.

Amazon can only use the screens that are available. That means 5", 6", 8", 9.7". It takes a massive investment (billions of $) to set up a screen fabrication plant, and large though Amazon are, I really can't see them producing their own screens.

HarryT · 06-06-2011, 05:17 AM

Well, from what I'm reading about the new nook, there seem to be quite a few issues with it. The decision they've made to only fully refresh the screen every 6 page turns leads, according to many reports, to significant ghosting, and internal memory is partitioned in such a way that only about 240MB of user content can be loaded. PDF support is very poor, and there's no landscape display mode. These are, of course, all issues that can be sorted out with a firmware upgrade, but as things stand at the moment I can't see many Kindle owners being tempted away.

jocampo · 06-06-2011, 08:11 AM

Checked Nook Touch yesterday again ... in store ... but this time with wife. I must say I did not see major ghosting problem (paid a lot of attention on that) but she did not like the ergonomics (contrary of what I think, because I do) She said it's too small for her and weird while holding.

Another customer was also playing around and asked about landscape and PDF support. The B&N representative did not lie but of course tried to diminish their importance. I left so not sure if he will buy one or not but his face was not a good one when knew there was no landscape.

Blossom · 06-06-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Well, from what I'm reading about the new nook, there seem to be quite a few issues with it. The decision they've made to only fully refresh the screen every 6 page turns leads, according to many reports, to significant ghosting, and internal memory is partitioned in such a way that only about 240MB of user content can be loaded. PDF support is very poor, and there's no landscape display mode. These are, of course, all issues that can be sorted out with a firmware upgrade, but as things stand at the moment I can't see many Kindle owners being tempted away.

The 750MB reserve for B&N content is what made me say "I'll pass". Also your SD Card books appear under My Files and not in the same area as other books unless you add them then it's not clear if you remove the card to add more books if they stay there but the Reserved space was enough for me wait for Kobo's new Touch ereader or another touch ereader.

boswd · 06-06-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Well, from what I'm reading about the new nook, there seem to be quite a few issues with it. The decision they've made to only fully refresh the screen every 6 page turns leads, according to many reports, to significant ghosting, and internal memory is partitioned in such a way that only about 240MB of user content can be loaded. PDF support is very poor, and there's no landscape display mode. These are, of course, all issues that can be sorted out with a firmware upgrade, but as things stand at the moment I can't see many Kindle owners being tempted away.

I hate to use the word overated about the "Ghosting' since everyone's sensitivity is different but I have to tellyou, I played with it for about 30 mins, and I saw no signifcant ghosting, I read about 5 pages of a book and saw none at all while reading.

the only time I did see some when I was testing it's reboot time and the outline of the book cover was seen but the nook did a quick refresh and it was gone, So IMHO, significant ghost is a bit overstated.

JohnnyRocks · 06-06-2011, 03:10 PM

I can honestly say that I saw zero ghosting, and, I was specifically looking for this while playing with it in the store for about 30 minutes. It might be more apparent in direct sunlight, but, I honestly didn't see it (and I TRIED to see it, looking very closely).

kranu · 06-07-2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Just a quick photoshop, but here you go...

That looks like it, except I'm not sure about how the 5-way would fit in there.. looks quite awkwardly placed.

kranu · 06-07-2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

I notice anger on your "voice" ...

...

I actually quite happy with the keyboard and don't need or mind touchscreen, that's just me. But because marketing reasons, I see a Kindle touch very likely.

Depending of what other touchscreen readers are providing or not, they will also remove those "home" buttons too. And I see a high chance of keeping the back and forward buttons than keeping the others, but that's just mere speculation at this point.

The Kindle doesn't have a forward button...

HarryT · 06-07-2011, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kranu

The Kindle doesn't have a forward button...

He meant "page back" and "page forward".

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06-02-2011, 03:10 PM	#137
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,007 Karma: 27060353 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	Sony's touch screen optionally uses an included stylus, which I assume would also work on the Nook and Kobo screens, which use the same IR technology. Kind of old fashioned perhaps but very flexible and familiar. For the fingerprint-phobic, and others besides. (Note that of these 3, only Sony seems to allow annotation, unless you consider bookmarks 'annotation'. I don't use this feature on Kindle much, but I would not be without it.) I just want enough buttons to navigate to a book, open and turn pages. Thus Nook would work, Kobo would not. Beyond that, I'm happy to touch the screen (or use a stylus) to get to everything else. An option to tether a Bluetooth keyboard/trackpad might be nice for more specialized usage.

06-03-2011, 07:45 PM	#138
Harmon King of the Bongo Drums Posts: 1,632 Karma: 5927225 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Excelsior! (Strange...)	Tried the new Nook today. Bezel is a little too wide so the device seems oddly proportioned. Idiot on the staff attached the security device to the face side of the lower right hand corner, exactly where you would hold the EBR to read it. Same guy who puts the price labels on top of the ingredients list or the cooking directions, or over the drink hole on cans of coke...

06-06-2011, 04:35 AM	#141
OtterBooks Wizard Posts: 1,262 Karma: 2979086 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 4, iPad Mini/Retina	imo if Amazon wants to make a big one-up, in addition to a new generation screen, they'll make it 6.25-6.5" or something while trimming the enclosure down to compensate (via a touch/button hybrid). Just enough to give it some nice extra real estate without a significant size compromise. Even a 6.25" display would be enough to push it over the top, competitively.

06-06-2011, 05:17 AM	#143
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Well, from what I'm reading about the new nook, there seem to be quite a few issues with it. The decision they've made to only fully refresh the screen every 6 page turns leads, according to many reports, to significant ghosting, and internal memory is partitioned in such a way that only about 240MB of user content can be loaded. PDF support is very poor, and there's no landscape display mode. These are, of course, all issues that can be sorted out with a firmware upgrade, but as things stand at the moment I can't see many Kindle owners being tempted away.

06-06-2011, 08:11 AM	#144
jocampo Layback feline Posts: 3,034 Karma: 6980745 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Device: Oasis 2nd gen, Sony DPTS1, iPad Pro 10.5"	Checked Nook Touch yesterday again ... in store ... but this time with wife. I must say I did not see major ghosting problem (paid a lot of attention on that) but she did not like the ergonomics (contrary of what I think, because I do) She said it's too small for her and weird while holding. Another customer was also playing around and asked about landscape and PDF support. The B&N representative did not lie but of course tried to diminish their importance. I left so not sure if he will buy one or not but his face was not a good one when knew there was no landscape.

06-06-2011, 03:10 PM	#147
JohnnyRocks Zealot Posts: 116 Karma: 960 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: PocketBook 360	I can honestly say that I saw zero ghosting, and, I was specifically looking for this while playing with it in the store for about 30 minutes. It might be more apparent in direct sunlight, but, I honestly didn't see it (and I TRIED to see it, looking very closely).