Touch Looks like a new nook is on the way...

[Bookworm_Girl]

I am happy to see that both the new Nook and Kobo have added touchscreen capabilities. I love my Sony touchscreens better than my K3 keyboard. I feel as if the new Nook is catching up to what I already have on my Sony ereaders. There really isn't any reason for me to considering buying another eink reader for now. I will wait to read the user reviews. However, I am really excited about this announcement and think it generates good competition in the ereader arena. I am looking forward to where the technology is headed.

Hardware just keeps getting better and better. I don't feel as if the firmware is developing at the same pace. I think that Kobo, Sony, Nook & Kindle all have something that they do the best. I wish I could combine the Kobo Reading Stats with the Sony Collections/Dictionaries/Annotations with the Nook EPUB bookstore with the Kindle browser/blogs/periodicals.

Originally Posted by apastuszak

I want to know about the firmware. Are sideloaded books still second class citizens? Is book organization better than shelves? As much as I love 2 months of battery life, and eInk pearl, I need to see how the firmware works before I can make a decision on whether to upgrade my wife's nook.

I have purchased most of my books from non-B&N sources. I want an e-ink reader that treats all of my content the same when it comes to organization.

Originally Posted by SCION

Most likely there will be no metadata recognition (not even book info/summary) and basic manual library management. The first NOOK and NOOKcolor are like this. I won't be manually shelving anything,; I'll just keep a small quantity of books on the device sorted by recently read, title, or author.

I only store a small quantity of books on my NOOKcolor and that's ok because it isn't my primary ereader. However, I want the ability to store my entire e-library on an e-ink device. I so wish that manufacturers would get that metadata recognition or folder support is important to many people. It seems funny to me how they like to boast how many books you can store on their ereaders and then don't give you the proper tools to be able to organize them! I don't want to manually shelve hundreds of books, especially if a reset may lose the work. It would be nice if whatever "MyNook" turns out to be allows for syncing of shelves for B&N content across multiple devices (like on your Nook e-ink and NOOKcolor) like Amazon does for Kindles. That would be a step in the right direction.

[anamardoll]

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

I only store a small quantity of books on my NOOKcolor and that's ok because it isn't my primary ereader. However, I want the ability to store my entire e-library on an e-ink device. I so wish that manufacturers would get that metadata recognition or folder support is important to many people. It seems funny to me how they like to boast how many books you can store on their ereaders and then don't give you the proper tools to be able to organize them! I don't want to manually shelve hundreds of books, especially if a reset may lose the work. It would be nice if whatever "MyNook" turns out to be allows for syncing of shelves for B&N content across multiple devices (like on your Nook e-ink and NOOKcolor) like Amazon does for Kindles. That would be a step in the right direction.

This. This a million times over. This -- tattooed on my forehead.

I have a PocketBook360 and IT RECOGNIZES MY FOLDER SYSTEM. Hallelujah. But I'd really like to read on a B&N touch screen N2. But if there's no folder support, I don't think I can.

I have 700 books in my library. I do NOT want to restock my reader once a week. I DO want to have my entire library at my fingertips at any moment. (I do this on my cellphone with a Dropbox catalog, but I doubt N2 will allow that if there's no browser. *sigh*)

I would be willing to organize my books on their social system if it flowed down to the device, but having the shelves be device-specific at the moment is ridiculous. Any damage to the device and all that effort is gone.

But even then - 300 of my 700 books are from B&N. The folder support for the SD card is, in my mind, mandatory. Otherwise, I can't use it. (And, really, folder support should not be HARD to program.)

[chas0039]

Originally Posted by JohnnyRocks

Are you kidding me? You weren't going to find anything to like about this, versus your beloved Kindle, no matter what they had done. Which is fine, but, you simply are not objective. There is absolutely NOTHING to like about the K3, over this Nook Second Gen, with the possible exception of a web browser. And, I would guess that very few people actually browse the web on an ereader, preferring instead, a smartphone.

I OWN a Kindle (second gen) and a Sony PRS-350. And, I'm buying a new Nook (point is...I'm not a first time buyer of ereaders). And, while you might not like a touch screen, and while some others might not like them either, I would guess that in the VAST majority of cases (at least 75% of people), a touch screen is considered an upgrade. And, the fact that it has both a touch screen AND page turn buttons gives those of you who don't think of it as an upgrade, the option to use buttons.

In addition, I would guess that the page turns are at least slightly faster on the new Nook, even when compared to the K3, as the hardware is significantly upgraded (over both the first gen Nook AND the K3). And, while I agree that 1,000 books on the included memory is more than enough, many people would like to carry their entire library on a memory card.

So, let me get this straight. You don't believe that a smaller form factor, with the same size screen is an upgrade? You also don't think that at least the OPTION of page turns with a swipe of the finger and SIGNIFICANTLY easier dictionary lookups, notetaking, etc, is an upgrade? Or the option to store more books on the machine (with an SD card)? All at the same price, by the way, as a K3?

Let's be honest you likely weren't going to find anything to like about the new Nook, no matter what they had done, and would have found some way to tout your K3.

I am looking at this objectively with ZERO allegiance to any "brand."

Well, clearly we just don't have anything to talk about.

Bye.

[chas0039]

Originally Posted by anamardoll

This. This a million times over. This -- tattooed on my forehead.

I have a PocketBook360 and IT RECOGNIZES MY FOLDER SYSTEM. Hallelujah. But I'd really like to read on a B&N touch screen N2. But if there's no folder support, I don't think I can.

I have 700 books in my library. I do NOT want to restock my reader once a week. I DO want to have my entire library at my fingertips at any moment. (I do this on my cellphone with a Dropbox catalog, but I doubt N2 will allow that if there's no browser. *sigh*)

I would be willing to organize my books on their social system if it flowed down to the device, but having the shelves be device-specific at the moment is ridiculous. Any damage to the device and all that effort is gone.

But even then - 300 of my 700 books are from B&N. The folder support for the SD card is, in my mind, mandatory. Otherwise, I can't use it. (And, really, folder support should not be HARD to program.)

You have perfectly stated my frustration with the Nook. This is the main reason I purchased two JetBooks where the files system works as well as on my PC, with folders. It is simple, efficient, very easy to use, and the fastest reader I have when it come to locating anything. Long after my Nook and Kindle have died, these two little readers will continue along, on AA batteries, using an SD card, and delivering my books from where I decided I wanted them to be. Best of all, the file system never changes or is lost and if I need to pop the SD card out, it take a few seconds to plug right into my computer.

If they had an eInk screen they would be near to perfect, and as far as trouble free file organization and reliability, they just work with no frills.

My first reader was a JetBook and I thought I was upgrading when I got a Nook, but soon after the built in limitations started. Nooks and Kindles are fun to use, and the eInk is better and the wireless connections are cool to use, but when I want to settle down and browse the library, the JetBook wins hands down.

Oops, it's supposed to be my beloved Kindle? Guess I just messed up again.

[varelov]

The way the store employee at the Nook stand explained to me this afternoon, you'll get all your books on the new device once you register it with your account credentials. And this was exactly to protect customers from loss of their eBook libraries when the device gets damaged. I have a fair amount of ebooks both purchased from B&N and downloaded for free from non- B&N sites on my Nook Classic so I'd count that and the screen as the pro for buying this reader.
On the con side, no browser. Salesperson made sure she is clear on that. The device uses wifi only for purchasing/viewing books. Although there wasn't a functioning device at the counter so that I could see it for myself. I was SOOO hoping that I could read all those blogs and forum posts on a screen that doesn't stare back at me AND is easy to navigate.
Oh well. A bit of a disappointment. But once it hits the stores, I think I'll be in the line to buy the Simple Reader.

[AnemicOak]

Really the Nook, Kindle, Sony and Kobo all suck at organization to some degree (at least for how I'd like to use them with over 1,000 books). I really wish I could just copy my folders and sub folders over like I can on my Opus and browse them like I can on a computer.

[JohnnyRocks]

Yes, except some things are not subjective. Like it or not, the touch screen is an upgrade in terms of hardware. Again, whether or not you use it is up to you, however, the upgrade is there for you. In addition, the processor is a HUGE upgrade over the Kindle. Neither of those two things are subjective. Preference of one over the other (touch screen versus keyboard) is, but neither of the above points are. The inclusion of a memory card slot is, once again, NOT subjective, regardless of whether you might find it useful or not.

The person making those assertions is an unabashed Kindle fanboy. He has zero credibitlity when stating his "opinion." And, keep something in mind here, folks. I OWN a Kindle and genuinely like it. I've NEVER owned a Nook but even I can see the obvious upgrades here.

And, I keep forgetting to mention the LOOOONNNNGGG claimed battery life, or is that also of no importance?

[apastuszak]

Ok, I own a nook classic and a Kindle 3 wifi. Here is pro-con list.

Kindle pros:

Collections way better than shelves
Physical keyboard much better than typing on LCD
D-pad better than using LCD D-Pad for looking up definitions.
Pearl eInk better
Sideloaded and purchased books in same list
Long battery life

nook pros:

ePub
Lending (Yeah, Kindle has it now)
Ability to buy from other book etailers
MicroSD card slot
You can load your own screensaver without jailbreaking
Wife likes it better than Kindle (probably because the nook is hers and the Kindle mine)

Now, from what I read of the nook Simple Touch, it cancels out the Kindle's advantage in these areas:

D-pad navigation: Clicking on a word to get a definition has got to be better than moving around on a d-pad
eInk Pearl: nook has it now.

The other features I can't speak to, since I don't have the new nook to hold in my hand.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

...

I only store a small quantity of books on my NOOKcolor and that's ok because it isn't my primary ereader. However, I want the ability to store my entire e-library on an e-ink device...

I certainly understand where you're coming from. I'm the opposite in terms of primary reader. I plan to use the NOOK Touch in sun drenched conditions primarily.

I've ranted about the lack of library management from B&N, but since I use the NOOK app on my NOOKcolor I plan to make use of the sync feature between the devices. Going forward I'll purchase select fiction books from B&N (never have before, only freebies) just so I can switch between the devices. I don't plan on having more than five sideloaded books on there at a time. For my non-fiction stuff I normally purchase from Amazon (lots of stuff I'm interested in not available as NOOKbooks), and get rid of the DRM. I use the Moon+ Reader app for these because highlights and notes can be exported.

[Bookworm_Girl]

I think the combo of the NOOKcolor & Nook e-ink could be a really sweet ecosystem. It already is a good combo. I just mean it has even more potential. You can already share libraries. Imagine if you could sync everything: bookmarks, notes, shelves, etc. All out of the box with no hacks required. It would be a persuasive reason to be loyal to the B&N bookstore and their product line. I think if Amazon does come out with a tablet like the rumors are saying, then they will implement a cross-device ecosystem like this. I was really disappointed when Apple chose to make an example of the Sony for iPhone app!

[SCION]

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

...Imagine if you could sync everything: bookmarks, notes, shelves, etc. All out of the box with no hacks required. ...

We should be able to. It's not like the capability doesn't exist. As someone else mentioned somewhere in this forum, B&N have great concepts, but they're half-baked when implemented. I'm looking forward to Amazon's next move.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by SCION

We should be able to. It's not like the capability doesn't exist. As someone else mentioned somewhere in this forum, B&N have great concepts, but they're half-baked when implemented. I'm looking forward to Amazon's next move.

I always wondered why they or even Amazon hasn't implementad this. I use MediaMonkey for my digital music management. It's the music version of Calibre, free and just plain awesome

but anywho I can create playlist, tags etc , things iTunes can only dream of, and then hook up my Sansa and I'm all set.


I would love a more advanced Library mangement system on BN.com. Hopefully this could be a feature they could add on some time down the road.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by boswd

I would love a more advanced Library mangement system on BN.com. Hopefully this could be a feature they could add on some time down the road.

Yes, BN.com or even within the NOOK apps for desktops.

[graycyn]

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

I have purchased most of my books from non-B&N sources. I want an e-ink reader that treats all of my content the same when it comes to organization.

I only store a small quantity of books on my NOOKcolor and that's ok because it isn't my primary ereader. However, I want the ability to store my entire e-library on an e-ink device. I so wish that manufacturers would get that metadata recognition or folder support is important to many people. It seems funny to me how they like to boast how many books you can store on their ereaders and then don't give you the proper tools to be able to organize them! I don't want to manually shelve hundreds of books, especially if a reset may lose the work. It would be nice if whatever "MyNook" turns out to be allows for syncing of shelves for B&N content across multiple devices (like on your Nook e-ink and NOOKcolor) like Amazon does for Kindles. That would be a step in the right direction.

I'll join the crowd. Lack of organization for hundreds of books is what has turned me to the Sony 950. Nook "Shelves" are cumbersome to organize with on the Nook classic... though they should be better on a full touchscreen. However, the real problem is that a reset will lose all the work. If shelves could sync to the online library, then you've got at least some backup. Even so, since that would probably only apply to BN purchased content and not My Documents, still not good enough, really. But at least people could transfer organization for purchased content from device to device.

I need something that I can do on my computer and backup or something that is fully backed up online for me. No one wants to have to re-do all their book organization from device to device, even within the same brand. And as I have a lot of non-purchased content, I really want organization to apply to ONE library, not segregated libraries. Folders are OK and I could work with that if I had to, but I prefer tags. Sony lets Calibre tags make collections automatically on the reader when books are transferred to the reader through Calibre. Simple and elegant.

BN's insistence on two libraries and the lack of good organization have pushed me away for now. My new Sony 950 was only $199 on clearance and I'm really glad that hubby didn't wait for the BN announcement of the new Nook to grab it for me! Smart man.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by graycyn

I'll join the crowd. Lack of organization for hundreds of books is what has turned me to the Sony 950. Nook "Shelves" are cumbersome to organize with on the Nook classic... though they should be better on a full touchscreen. However, the real problem is that a reset will lose all the work. If shelves could sync to the online library, then you've got at least some backup. Even so, since that would probably only apply to BN purchased content and not My Documents, still not good enough, really. But at least people could transfer organization for purchased content from device to device.

I need something that I can do on my computer and backup or something that is fully backed up online for me. No one wants to have to re-do all their book organization from device to device, even within the same brand. And as I have a lot of non-purchased content, I really want organization to apply to ONE library, not segregated libraries. Folders are OK and I could work with that if I had to, but I prefer tags. Sony lets Calibre tags make collections automatically on the reader when books are transferred to the reader through Calibre. Simple and elegant.

BN's insistence on two libraries and the lack of good organization have pushed me away for now. My new Sony 950 was only $199 on clearance and I'm really glad that hubby didn't wait for the BN announcement of the new Nook to grab it for me! Smart man.

if the new nook has the same organization as the nook color then they will no longer be two libraries. They did an nice job of merging the two into one. and in it's last update it now included your sideloaded books to be added on the home pages as well.

they listened to that complain and acknowledged it.