WOW, The Kindle's battery life doubles overnight

[crich70]

Originally Posted by ApK

No, that makes no sense at all. The presence or absence of an explaination on a web site has no effect on the facts.

No it can't, if none of the other devices tell you that. What would you be comparing it to?

"It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of data." ~Sherlock Holmes

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Joykins

They must calculate some average of page turns per hour I guess.

And I guess that's keroberos's point. We can only guess.
My point is, whether they specify or not, they got the number from some calculation, which I'm sure they'll produce if they get sued for false advertising or something.
If a competitor doesn't complain, we can fairly sure that 1) they are using similar methods to calculate, and 2) the numbers will have equally little resemblance to reality,

[ApK]

Originally Posted by crich70

"It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of data." ~Sherlock Holmes

The scientific method starts with a hypothesis*.....

Anyway, my initial data is the existence of truth in advertising laws.

(*Or is it 'an hypothesis'?)

[khalleron]

Originally Posted by ApK

The scientific method starts with a hypothesis*.....

Anyway, my initial data is the existence of truth in advertising laws.

(*Or is it 'an hypothesis'?)

I know it's , but that's the difference between inductive (scientific) reasoning and deductive (Sherlock Holmes-type) reasoning.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by khalleron

I know it's , but that's the difference between inductive (scientific) reasoning and deductive (Sherlock Holmes-type) reasoning.

Sherlock Holmes usually displayed inductive reasoning, from the specific to the general. Holmes would see sand on your shoe, reason what could possibly result in that kind of sand in that place on your shoe, and conclude that you had just been dragged through the marina at low tide.
With deductive reasoning, from the general to the specific, Holmes would have to see the marina at low tide, deduce that if someone were dragged there, they'd have a certain kind of sand in a certain place on their shoe, and then, presumably, go looking for shoes to test the hypothesis.
Elementary, my dear khalleron.

p.s. Holmes made this confusion so popular, in referring to his method as 'deduction', that I've several places where induction is referred to as "Holmesian deduction."

[OtterBooks]

At the press conference B&N spokesmen made a big hooplah about the battery life: "2 months, the longest of any ereader on the market." It even prompted the CNET correspondent to say "Two months battery life! Wow!" I doubt he would have responded that way had they claimed "New, differently measured battery time appears longer than any ereader on the market!" It was sleazy. Amazon didn't want to lose business to people duped by B&N's sleight of hand, so they matched it, which is kinda unfortunate. I respect the Kobo exec for pointing out (diplomatically) that a 30 min measurement time is a scam. edit: that judgement may be inaccurate.

[MsCG1]

boswd, you called it! And BN is not playing around with Amazon. WOW.

Press release on the new Nook's battery life:

With up to two months on a single charge, the All-New NOOK has the longest-battery life in the industry and superior battery performance to Kindle 3. In our side-by-side tests, under the exact same conditions, continuous use of the device resulted in more than two times Kindle's battery life. While reading at one page a minute, the All-New NOOK battery lasts for 150 hours where the Kindle battery, using the same page-turn rate, lasts for only 56 hours (both with Wi-Fi off). We've also done a continuous page turn test and at one page turn per second, the All-New NOOK offers more than 25,000 continuous page turns on a single charge.

Link:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/b...calls-out-kin/

[Dulin's Books]

i would bet their one page per second test was done with a full refresh only every 6 pages or however many partials they are using

still they have definitely packed in the battery. good job

[TimW]

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

i would bet their one page per second test was done with a full refresh only every 6 pages or however many partials they are using

still they have definitely packed in the battery. good job

It depends. The black flash when turning pages is the e-ink refreshing. You can call it a page scrub. If the N2 is only doing a page scrub every six pages, you may see ghosting or afterimages of the previous pages. That would be a disaster. Being able to "one-up" Amazon on battery life at the expense of the page quality would be a Pyrrhic victory. Once the N2 is released, we shall see.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by TimW

It depends. The black flash when turning pages is the e-ink refreshing. You can call it a page scrub. If the N2 is only doing a page scrub every six pages, you may see ghosting or afterimages of the previous pages. That would be a disaster. Being able to "one-up" Amazon on battery life at the expense of the page quality would be a Pyrrhic victory. Once the N2 is released, we shall see.

I'd like to think the Engadget folks would have mentioned the ghosting if so, but who knows.
Could the partial refresh thing really be the source of the battery improvement?

[stonetools]

I find this battery life debate a bit beside the point. Unless you are hiking the Appalachian Trail or on holiday in the Congo, a week's battery life should be more than sufficient and all three e-readers can do at least that well ,even with wifi on and reading several hours a day

[boswd]

Originally Posted by MsCG1

boswd, you called it! And BN is not playing around with Amazon. WOW.

Press release on the new Nook's battery life:



Link:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/25/b...calls-out-kin/

Oh man I didn't see this post, I just posted an all new thread on it. LOL

I think it's funny that the Kindle Krew on here who touted the 2 week then the 1 month battery life of the kindle 2 and kindle 3 as if it was the cure of all our ailments, cured cancer, gave us saving grace and would thumb their noses on any product with less battery life and ohh what a chore it must be to own a nook and not have this most Wonderful battery life. Now have taken the stance of " who cares" if you can't find an outlet blah blah blah.

I have always said from the beginning. My laptop gets 3hrs tops, I have to charge my cell phone every night. getting a week from nook classic and 4 days from my nook color is just fine with me.

Don't get me wrong of course the less you have to worry about charging your devices is always a good thing but a the amount of garbage to Kindle Krew would spew out about all the craziest sceneioros you would be in when debating this : "Well what if you travel the Congo, for 1 month and live with the pygmies, you are going to want a Kindle for it's Most Amazing battery life"

"Well what if you go to Sibera and live in a Village that has no power , you are going to want the Most Awesome Kindle because it has the BEST battery".

Well you know what Kindlebots, you dont' anymore. And actually I don't even care. It's just one less thing all us non kindle owners have to hear you crow about.

[jedifarfy]

Originally Posted by =X=

Or you can say B&N is on Kindles heels

Releases an eInk reader tied to their books store (3G)
Released high contrast low lag eInk (perl screen)
Releases an app store

Unfortunately in the area that matters most to me is in books and content, B&N just don't seem to try to compete(aside from the Terrible 5 books)

So now I'm reading kindle books on nook hardware. Go figure.

The truth is both react to each other and the absence of one would be bad news for the consumer.

=X=

Amazon and Sony has a few years on B&N with their stores, and they're always looking for what customers want (I'm constantly clicking to get books on nook on bn.com). The difference is the everyday consumer* can get books from many other websites without problems if it is for some reason not on the nook.

I'm curious what other content you might be looking for. Not that they listen to me, but you never know when someone might wander through and listen to the little people on the totem pole.

*By everyday consumers, I'm meaning people who are not downloading and converting books. I've found most people who buy ereaders are NOT that tech savvy.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by boswd

I think it's funny that the Kindle Krew on here who touted the 2 week then the 1 month battery life of the kindle 2 and kindle 3 as if it was the cure of all our ailments, cured cancer, gave us saving grace and would thumb their noses on any product with less battery life and ohh what a chore it must be to own a nook and not have this most Wonderful battery life. Now have taken the stance of " who cares" if you can't find an outlet blah blah blah.

Where'd you pull that out of?
The one guy just above who said "who cares" is apparently an LCD user. Obviously long battery life isn't important to him.

As far as I know, battery life is still important to many of us. I hate how often I have to charge my cell phone. It's just that once we were are settled and satisfied with legitimate multi-week-life we see we get, we take the hyper-extended multi-month marketing claims with the huge, painful grain of salt they deserved.

I was actually about to post that I was pretty sure I had charged my Kindle just about a week ago, and was rather ticked to get a low battery warning when I was out in the field yesterday. Not sure why the life was so short, but it bugged me.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by ApK

Where'd you pull that out of?
The one guy just above who said "who cares" is apparently an LCD user. Obviously long battery life isn't important to him.

As far as I know, battery life is still important to many of us. I hate how often I have to charge my cell phone. It's just that once we were are settled and satisfied with legitimate multi-week-life we see we get, we take the hyper-extended multi-month marketing claims with the huge, painful grain of salt they deserved.

I was actually about to post that I was pretty sure I had changed my Kindle just about a week ago, and was rather ticked to get a low battery warning when I was out in the field yesterday. Not sure why the life was so short, but it bugged me.

It was nothing specific in this thread, but normally you would find stuff like that in the "What Should I Buy" sub forum, all the crazy nonsense of how the Kindle's battery life was the end all be all.

but as I stated If i can get more than 3 days in comparison to all my other devices, then anything more is pure gravy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to turn down a device that has great battery but kindle owners in the past did tout their battery life as if it was sent from God himself.

I'm just excited they no longer have that feather in their cap to throw at us non kindle owners. that's all.