Speculation thread: How will Amazon react to new Nook and Kobo? - Page 4

DiapDealer · 05-25-2011, 12:53 PM

Quit being so vague.

detayls · 05-25-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kacir

And how do I turn page forward when I am holding device in left hand, lying on my right side in bed?

Kacir,

There are physical buttons on both sides of the Simple Nook screen; two on each side.

Initially they are inactive. If you want to turn them on you can assign a role to each one, so holding device in the left hand you could assign back forward to the left two buttons and leave the others on the right off or do vice-versa.

They were a little sneaky. They wanted to say that there was only one button on the simple Nook so that they could slap Kindle. There are actually 5 buttons on the simple Nook but only the bottom-central Nook (home) button is active by default.

You're gonna love the simple Nook!

markdek · 05-25-2011, 01:37 PM

How about 6 buttons; 1 on top, 1 on bottom, 2 on each side?; = 6?

kacir · 05-25-2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by detayls

Kacir,

There are physical buttons on both sides of the Simple Nook screen; two on each side.

Initially they are inactive. If you want to turn them on you can assign a role to each one, so holding device in the left hand you could assign back forward to the left two buttons and leave the others on the right off or do vice-versa.

They were a little sneaky. They wanted to say that there was only one button on the simple Nook so that they could slap Kindle. There are actually 5 buttons on the simple Nook but only the bottom-central Nook (home) button is active by default.

You're gonna love the simple Nook!

I checked out several videos, and the new Nook is THE most interesting device I have seen in a very long time.
It has touch screen, so you do not have to click and click and click to move in menu, and for turning pages you have *configurable* buttons, right under the thumb, that are very similar to buttons on my beloved PocketBook 360.
Also the back side isn't flat, so you can grab the device properly.
Now I would like to see how configurable the device is (I am spoiled rotten with my PocketBook360) and how difficult it will be to install other stuff to the Android 2.1 the device has.

My previous comments were aimed at people that were describing turning pages by swipes on the new Kobo as great thing.

tomsem · 05-25-2011, 03:50 PM

Regarding Nook, I'm very interested to see how effective its 'Fast Page(TM)' feature is. One of the problems with eink devices has always been that you can't flip through a book quickly.

Yes, and it would be nice if B&N sanctions android apps to extend functionality (Dropbox access, web browser, Chess, etc.). With the touch interface, it's much less limited than Nook 1ed was in that respect, even though it too 'ran on Android'.

By doing this, they also counter Kindle's capability to run 'apps'. Though I must say, Kindle apps are a joke.

Rizla · 05-25-2011, 09:05 PM

I really like the look of the new Kobo. Very swish? But one button? That's a showstopper for me. The best combination is touch-screen AND buttons.Swiping the screen is handy sometimes (in bed, one-handed funnily enough), but I mainly use buttons for page turns. Bottom line--you can't have enough control options.

I think the Nook looks more bulky, but 5 buttons? Now you're talking.

So what will Amazon do? They must react if they wish to dominate the market. Sorry Kindle owners, but the K3 looks like yesterday's tech next to the new Nook and Kobo. I have no doubt Amazon will release touch. It's also nice that other companies will force Amazon to support Epub.

OtterBooks · 05-25-2011, 10:23 PM

Amazon will "react" to the new Nook the same way they did to the Nook classic: by coming out with a next gen Kindle when they're ready.

wallcraft · 05-26-2011, 12:04 AM

A touch screen upgrade to the KDX would be nice. I don't know if the IR touchscreen works at that size, but the keyboard on the existing KDX seems awkward.

A 6" K4 could either have a keyboard or a touch screen. My guess is that Amazon will choose whichever is cheaper, although a touchscreen device would look cleaner. The K4 has to get below $100, perhaps significantly below (e.g. $75 with adds by next Christmas). I think they will keep the 3G option, although a $50 premium is untenable at these price points.

naypalm · 05-26-2011, 07:20 PM

Buttons or not, I will enjoy my free 3G where B&N Nook will have to use wifi or drive to the store to look at books.

JohnnyRocks · 05-26-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stingo

Are you kidding. Yeah and that apple ipad tablet thingy will never sell either what with its shorter battery life and greater weight. ....I know that we already own Kindles but lets be honest. These new Nook and Kobo readers use a touch screen technology that does not obscure the readability of the screen, unlike the Sony. They use far faster processors than the Kindle and they scroll around pdfs smoothly. They are smaller than a k3 and have a definite "cool" factor. The Kindle has been getting some customer loyalty hits in how it handled DX upgrades and this certainly does not help its image. Ad driven kindles for a nominal discount is not going to build followers. In 2010, the less readable nook made huge market share gains selling color to its followers. These new devices, smaller, faster and more touchy, could further erode the kindle market share if Amazon does not rethink its product and support. Frankly, I think Amazon is aware of this, in part at least, and will have a new device out in the next few months. Amazon better hope that "ad driven" is not the best they have to offer in 2011.

Very well said. Most others in this thread are Kindle fanboys. Keep in mind, I own a Kindle, and a Sony PRS-350, and I can see the benefits of the new Nook as compared to my Kindle (smaller form factor, touch screen, longer battery life, SD card support, Epub support). Are those reasons sufficient? Come on, folks, let's get real.

The Kindle OWNS the ereader market, and that may continue well into the near future, however, let's be real here.

Histerius · 05-26-2011, 07:54 PM

Quote:

The Kindle OWNS the ereader market, and that may continue well into the near future, however, let's be real here.

Very true.

voracious71 · 05-26-2011, 11:16 PM

Not sure how Amazon will react, but I like the fact that everyone is stepping up their game.As much as I love my Kindle, I don't allow brand loyalty to keep me from acknowledging a job well done.

Competition is a great thing for the consumer.

JohnnyRocks · 05-26-2011, 11:38 PM

Very well put, and, for those of you who don't think that Amazon will react, you are fooling yourselves. A brand like Amazon or Apple doesn't dominate an entire market segment the way they do without making adjustments and "reacting" to the competition when the competition steps up their game.

PharaohsVizier · 05-27-2011, 12:59 AM

I see a lot of talk about the Nook, isn't there any love for the Kobo? I love the scrollbar at the bottom to flip through pages, and PDF panning looks... less painful.

EDIT: As for answering the topic, I'm guessing it is only a matter of time before Amazon comes out with a touch screen reader. Personally I'm hoping that it isn't beyond them to shamelessly copy some of the features seen in the Nook and Kobo (cough scrollbar cough cough)

booklover6 · 05-27-2011, 07:01 AM

I like the looks of the new Kobo! And the simple nook looks good too! I can say what I always see people writing about the kindle....I don't want to be tied to B&N for books! On the other hand, I rarely buy books from Amazon for my kindle. I prefer to buy non-DRM books. So I guess it would be the same thing for the other 2 readers....buy books from small publishers and send them to the device via wifi...but do the other devices convert for you? Can they read documents in txt, pdf, html, doc, docx, prc, mobi? Those would be determining factors for me. I would not buy books from B&N if I had a nook.

05-27-2011, 12:59 AM	#59
PharaohsVizier Connoisseur Posts: 92 Karma: 510274 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Kindle DXG, Kindle Fire, Kindle Touch	I see a lot of talk about the Nook, isn't there any love for the Kobo? I love the scrollbar at the bottom to flip through pages, and PDF panning looks... less painful. EDIT: As for answering the topic, I'm guessing it is only a matter of time before Amazon comes out with a touch screen reader. Personally I'm hoping that it isn't beyond them to shamelessly copy some of the features seen in the Nook and Kobo (cough scrollbar cough cough) Last edited by PharaohsVizier; 05-27-2011 at 01:05 AM.

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05-25-2011, 12:53 PM	#46
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,585 Karma: 204624552 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Quit being so vague.

05-25-2011, 01:37 PM	#48
markdek Addict Posts: 202 Karma: 1015348 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: Kindle 3	How about 6 buttons; 1 on top, 1 on bottom, 2 on each side?; = 6?

05-25-2011, 03:50 PM	#50
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,942 Karma: 27060153 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	Regarding Nook, I'm very interested to see how effective its 'Fast Page(TM)' feature is. One of the problems with eink devices has always been that you can't flip through a book quickly. Yes, and it would be nice if B&N sanctions android apps to extend functionality (Dropbox access, web browser, Chess, etc.). With the touch interface, it's much less limited than Nook 1ed was in that respect, even though it too 'ran on Android'. By doing this, they also counter Kindle's capability to run 'apps'. Though I must say, Kindle apps are a joke.

05-25-2011, 09:05 PM	#51
Rizla Member Retired Posts: 3,183 Karma: 11721895 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Nook STR (rooted) & Sony T2	I really like the look of the new Kobo. Very swish? But one button? That's a showstopper for me. The best combination is touch-screen AND buttons.Swiping the screen is handy sometimes (in bed, one-handed funnily enough), but I mainly use buttons for page turns. Bottom line--you can't have enough control options. I think the Nook looks more bulky, but 5 buttons? Now you're talking. So what will Amazon do? They must react if they wish to dominate the market. Sorry Kindle owners, but the K3 looks like yesterday's tech next to the new Nook and Kobo. I have no doubt Amazon will release touch. It's also nice that other companies will force Amazon to support Epub.

05-25-2011, 10:23 PM	#52
OtterBooks Wizard Posts: 1,262 Karma: 2979086 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle 4, iPad Mini/Retina	Amazon will "react" to the new Nook the same way they did to the Nook classic: by coming out with a next gen Kindle when they're ready.

05-26-2011, 12:04 AM	#53
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,977 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	A touch screen upgrade to the KDX would be nice. I don't know if the IR touchscreen works at that size, but the keyboard on the existing KDX seems awkward. A 6" K4 could either have a keyboard or a touch screen. My guess is that Amazon will choose whichever is cheaper, although a touchscreen device would look cleaner. The K4 has to get below $100, perhaps significantly below (e.g. $75 with adds by next Christmas). I think they will keep the 3G option, although a $50 premium is untenable at these price points.

05-26-2011, 07:20 PM	#54
naypalm Enthusiast Posts: 39 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Michigan Device: K3G v3.1 jb	Buttons or not, I will enjoy my free 3G where B&N Nook will have to use wifi or drive to the store to look at books.

05-26-2011, 11:16 PM	#57
voracious71 Addict Posts: 384 Karma: 1360936 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Quahog, RI Device: Nook, Kindle PW4, Kobo Clara	Not sure how Amazon will react, but I like the fact that everyone is stepping up their game.As much as I love my Kindle, I don't allow brand loyalty to keep me from acknowledging a job well done. Competition is a great thing for the consumer.

05-26-2011, 11:38 PM	#58
JohnnyRocks Zealot Posts: 116 Karma: 960 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: PocketBook 360	Very well put, and, for those of you who don't think that Amazon will react, you are fooling yourselves. A brand like Amazon or Apple doesn't dominate an entire market segment the way they do without making adjustments and "reacting" to the competition when the competition steps up their game.

05-27-2011, 07:01 AM	#60
booklover6 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,545 Karma: 14008730 Join Date: May 2008 Location: PA (USA) Device: Kobo Clara, 2E, Libre 1, PW4, PW5, 2022 Kindle, Kobo Libre Colour	I like the looks of the new Kobo! And the simple nook looks good too! I can say what I always see people writing about the kindle....I don't want to be tied to B&N for books! On the other hand, I rarely buy books from Amazon for my kindle. I prefer to buy non-DRM books. So I guess it would be the same thing for the other 2 readers....buy books from small publishers and send them to the device via wifi...but do the other devices convert for you? Can they read documents in txt, pdf, html, doc, docx, prc, mobi? Those would be determining factors for me. I would not buy books from B&N if I had a nook.