Fictionwise Cancels F&SF Subscriptions - Page 5

elcreative · 04-25-2011, 06:44 PM

What smartphone, what PC, what tablet... not everybody has a multitude of devices, not everyone can comfortably read LCD screens for lengthy period, not everyone finds it comfortable to curl up in an armchair with a 24" monitor... so for many people these are not choices unless they spend money they might not have on tech they don't want to read something they should be able to read on a device of their choice...

To quote you... "There are options..." to quote the real world... "There are NO options for many people!"

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Yes, they do. On their PC, on their phone, on their tablet.

I won't play your silly game of semantics.

Those are options.

RockdaMan · 04-25-2011, 06:56 PM

It's not a perfect world El. Businesses can't always serve every single constituency that they'd like.

It's a business first and foremost, and F&SF magazine is obviously thinking that its best business odds lie with those inside the reach of the Kindles platform.

Will they, can they? No one knows. We'll find out.

grumpy3b · 04-25-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

If he'd just come clean about his identity and change his avatar to Luke, or Han or Jar Jar you'd understand the underlying source of all of our tension.

Don't need to understand it but am long ago tired of it in EVERY FRAKING THREAD guys it is OLD so all of you STOP IT, fer gauds sakes enough already.

I wonder how many people simply stop visiting do to all this childish OCD repetition of the very same stuff in ever place they look on MR. Funny how as this very objectionable behavior increases as it does from time to time that the activity on MR seems as if it decreases.

You all might believe you are helping, you are not. Discuss is ones and be done with it already.

RockdaMan · 04-25-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy3b

Don't need to understand it but am long ago tired of it in EVERY FRAKING THREAD guys it is OLD so all of you STOP IT, fer gauds sakes enough already.

I wonder how many people simply stop visiting do to all this childish OCD repetition of the very same stuff in ever place they look on MR. Funny how as this very objectionable behavior increases as it does from time to time that the activity on MR seems as if it decreases.

You all might believe you are helping, you are not. Discuss is ones and be done with it already.

I actually quite agree with you.

kennyc · 04-25-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy3b

I finally get it, you guys are auditioning for Jerry Springer!! Who is gonna come out first? Otherwise get a freaking room and bang a couple out and get it over with already!!

Not really, he just likes to be slapped around.

GlenBarrington · 04-25-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

I think this is very likely. F&SF has made a number of changes aimed at reducing costs lately and this is just another one of them.

Then they'll go under. Keep up, or die.

I saw a documentary on wild horses on TV last night. From what little I've seen, publishers are a lot like horses. They breed faster than than the environment can support. A slow painful death seems inevitable for some.

JSWolf · 04-25-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

And thats the rub.

Among F&SF readers, you are almost certainly in the minority. Way in the minority.

Did you subscribe before, or are you just protesting on general principle?

I am less in the minority then you think. The problem is you think this is a good thing and that everyone should be able to deal with maybe stripping DRM and converting. Well, I'll give you the reality of this. Not everyone can. Not everyone wants to. Not everyone will want to be bothered even if they can. Not everyone will want to give their money to Amazon. And by everyone, I mean everyone not already reading Kindle eBooks in the native format. So really, if you think this is a good deal for F&SF, it's not and it never will be.

JSWolf · 04-25-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

They've got options...thats all I'm saying.

I've said this before and I'll say it again here. Not everyone strips DRM & format shifts. So if it's not in the format they use, it's useless.

JSWolf · 04-25-2011, 08:55 PM

elcreative, would you mind stopping the top posting?

RockdaMan · 04-25-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is you think this is a good thing and that everyone should be able to deal with maybe stripping DRM and converting.

It is not optimal, but everyone has access in some way that does not involve stripping and converting. At minimum, there is the PC.

elcreative · 04-25-2011, 09:20 PM

Yes...

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

elcreative, would you mind stopping the top posting?

Kurt · 04-25-2011, 11:20 PM

bought the NC last thursday

the first thing i did was get the 14 day "free" trial of Asimov and Analog
been a long time since i tried to read one of these ol' time favorites

and that was it - you could read them but there was no art, pictures or funnies or graphics of any kind - not even want ads (do they even do this any more in the print version?) - just a pool of text - pretty dull since i was expecting the actual magazines
cancelled quite quickly

does F&SF (which i had forgotten about) do this same thing?

Lemurion · 04-25-2011, 11:45 PM

I just went to Fictionwise and saw something interesting: namely that the Author System is being updated. This may mean that their agreements have expired and it could be some terms of the new agreement that caused F&SF to pull the plug.

kennyc · 04-26-2011, 06:39 AM

I did not get a response to my email...

Blue Tyson · 04-26-2011, 10:31 AM

The magazines have always been DRM free at Fictionwise.

What about the Kindle versions - presumably they are too?

Given my subscriptions run out in one issue. FSF ran out a while ago, and never resubscribed, was just getting them ad hoc with no other option.

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04-25-2011, 06:56 PM	#62
RockdaMan Banned Posts: 1,644 Karma: 213512 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On the other side of over there Device: Pandigital Novel, Kindle G1 (broken), iPod Touch	It's not a perfect world El. Businesses can't always serve every single constituency that they'd like. It's a business first and foremost, and F&SF magazine is obviously thinking that its best business odds lie with those inside the reach of the Kindles platform. Will they, can they? No one knows. We'll find out.

04-25-2011, 08:55 PM	#69
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,784 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	elcreative, would you mind stopping the top posting?

04-25-2011, 11:20 PM	#72
Kurt Connoisseur Posts: 81 Karma: 500000 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Nook Color, Nook HD+, Kobo Aura HD, Kobo Aura One	bought the NC last thursday the first thing i did was get the 14 day "free" trial of Asimov and Analog been a long time since i tried to read one of these ol' time favorites and that was it - you could read them but there was no art, pictures or funnies or graphics of any kind - not even want ads (do they even do this any more in the print version?) - just a pool of text - pretty dull since i was expecting the actual magazines cancelled quite quickly does F&SF (which i had forgotten about) do this same thing?

04-25-2011, 11:45 PM	#73
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I just went to Fictionwise and saw something interesting: namely that the Author System is being updated. This may mean that their agreements have expired and it could be some terms of the new agreement that caused F&SF to pull the plug.

04-26-2011, 06:39 AM	#74
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,930 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	I did not get a response to my email...

04-26-2011, 10:31 AM	#75
Blue Tyson Blue Captain Posts: 1,595 Karma: 5000236 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Device: Kindle Keyboard 3G,Huawei Ideos X3,Kobo Mini	The magazines have always been DRM free at Fictionwise. What about the Kindle versions - presumably they are too? Given my subscriptions run out in one issue. FSF ran out a while ago, and never resubscribed, was just getting them ad hoc with no other option.