Sharing ebooks???

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Who's Steven Hawkins? Perchance you mean Steven Hawking?

Soz, teacher. I done got him mixed up with Joe Hawkins again.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Barcey

It depends on what your mean by solving the problem. Yes your ebooks could end up on a file sharing site with your name on them and if that happened to me I would be upset and embarrassed and wouldn't loan books to that person again. Most people wouldn't want that to happen to them and that's the point. The copyright holder could attempt to come after me but they wouldn't get very far. It's not intended to be proof of a criminal offense. My ebook reader could have been lost or stolen and then all my ebooks could end up on a file sharing site. I recognize that it won't stop file sharing from happening. I just believe that it would be much more effective then what we have today and much less restrictive on fair use.

I think even the entertainment industry with their millions to spend on political party donations would have trouble getting a law passed that made it illegal to remove your personal details from a computer file.

[cfrizz]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I think even the entertainment industry with their millions to spend on political party donations would have trouble getting a law passed that made it illegal to remove your personal details from a computer file.

Agreed, this is in total violation of HIPPA rules which was put in place to protect individuals privacy & personal information for both the healthcare & financial industries.

[DiapDealer]

Agreed, this is in total violation of HIPPA rules which was put in place to protect individuals privacy & personal information for both the healthcare & financial industries.

Everybody seems to know what violates HIPAA, but no-one is sure what it takes to comply with it.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by kennyc

That'll earn you a one-way trip to the ignore list.

You like to tell people to stop with the personal attacks. Yet the statement above is a personal attack and not an argument. Ignore people if you want but do it silently.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by tompe

You like to tell people to stop with the personal attacks. Yet the statement above is a personal attack and not an argument. Ignore people if you want but do it silently.

No thanks. And that was far from a personal attack. It was explaining what type of behavior will cause someone to be put on someone's ignore list (Not mine, in fact I completely cleared mine -- only had a few on it anyway, several no longer here -- a few weeks back)

And I will continue to point out (and report it) when people make personal attacks as opposed to arguing or attacking ideas.

Have a good day now.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by kennyc

No thanks. And that was far from a personal attack. It was explaining what type of behavior will cause someone to be put on someone's ignore list :

Without quoting anything in that post it wasn't really possible to tell what type of behaviour you meant. I didn't notice any personal attacks?

[tompe]

Originally Posted by kennyc

No thanks. And that was far from a personal attack. It was explaining what type of behavior will cause someone to be put on someone's ignore list (Not mine, in fact I completely cleared mine -- only had a few on it anyway, several no longer here -- a few weeks back)

It definitely sounded like your ignore list. And that you had put somebody on it.

Telling that you ignore somebody is like telling that they are stupid and will never produce an opinion worth listening to. Why would you bother telling everybody else that you ignore somebody if my meaning was not the intention.
Ignoring a person is always a value judgement about the person.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by tompe

It definitely sounded like your ignore list. And that you had put somebody on it.

Telling that you ignore somebody is like telling that they are stupid and will never produce an opinion worth listening to. Why would you bother telling everybody else that you ignore somebody if my meaning was not the intention.
Ignoring a person is always a value judgement about the person.

Do you have a problem understanding English?

Apparently.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by tompe

It definitely sounded like your ignore list. And that you had put somebody on it.

Telling that you ignore somebody is like telling that they are stupid and will never produce an opinion worth listening to. Why would you bother telling everybody else that you ignore somebody if my meaning was not the intention.
Ignoring a person is always a value judgement about the person.

Is this so? My reason to put someone on my ignore list is that their view of things is annoying me and I know there will never be consent. Or because someone will say the same thing over and over again, regardless of the topic. Instead of being annoyed or bickering with them I choose to ignore them. Where does that value someone? I

And even if it is, why should that be a problem? The ignore function is given here and I am allowed to use it and to have my own opinions. So are you.

I have people on my ignore list and I know I am myself on other persons lists, too. Does not make me feel bad at all.

[forcheville]

Originally Posted by skypilotpete

Can anyone tell me if I could be identified from something within an un-drm'd, converted file?

I think the answer is no.

You can check by unzipping your epub with with you favourite archiving program.
Then comb through the content and metadata files with something like XVI32. I'm told that you'll find no suspicious codes.

I have never done this myself and don't recommend it.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Is this so? My reason to put someone on my ignore list is that their view of things is annoying me and I know there will never be consent. Or because someone will say the same thing over and over again, regardless of the topic. Instead of being annoyed or bickering with them I choose to ignore them. Where does that value someone? I

And even if it is, why should that be a problem? The ignore function is given here and I am allowed to use it and to have my own opinions. So are you.

I have people on my ignore list and I know I am myself on other persons lists, too. Does not make me feel bad at all.

Just want to say that I have never ignored anyone and I never will. That's just downright rude.

[Barcey]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I think even the entertainment industry with their millions to spend on political party donations would have trouble getting a law passed that made it illegal to remove your personal details from a computer file.

It doesn't have to be illegal to remove anything from the file. If the ebook has been customized with your name (public information, not personal) you can remove it but you don't know if it's embedded somewhere else that isn't obvious. The idea is to make it a deterrent, not control.

[skypilotpete]

Originally Posted by kennyc

You don't know anything about me, or apparently about other things including ebooks, buddhism, or how discussion forums work. You come in here asking if it's okay to break the law and many good people are very patient with trying to explain it to you, guess you don't want to hear it though.

In case anyone else thinks that I don't appreciate their contributions, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post: "The practical and ethical arguments presented here have helped me decide not to make copies." When I said it, I meant it. Thankyou - especially to the posters who answered my actual question, rather than passing judgment on my assumed motives.

I got off to a pretty bad start, when one of the earlier posts from Poppaea suggested that I might "consider regular postings in the joke-of-the-day-section". If that's not personal abuse or ridicule, I don't know what is. So, against my better judgement I decided to join in in a similar vein. Bad mistake!
My apologies to anyone who has been offended by any of my comments.

[Poppaea]

Originally Posted by skypilotpete

I live in Australia, have a Sony e-reader, and have been continually frustrated by how few books are available to me. Like many others, I have bitten the bullet and worked out how to strip DRM from Amazon ebooks, so I can buy them and convert to Epub using Calibre. Now I am faced with the question of whether it is safe for me to share these converted ebooks with friends - as I would feel entitled to do with any other book that I purchased. I am aware that once I give a converted ebook to anyone else, what happens to it then is out of my hands. I would like to be sure that there isn't some hidden metadata remaining within a converted ebook that would allow Amazon to identify me as the original purchaser if one of my ebooks ends up on a news group or torrent site. I will certainly ask my friends not to do this, but I can't guarantee that it won't happen. Can anyone tell me if I could be identified from something within an un-drm'd, converted file?

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Well this is funny. You were asked by the copyright owners not to copy and distribute the file to someone else. Now this is just what you want to do and now you are wondering if your ""friends" from the torrent site won't do it if ask to...

Well, yes, that's a good one. You may consider regular postings in the joke-of-the-day-section.

Apart from that, as far as I understood the buyer information is not removed when stripping. Why should it. The stripping plugins were created for personal use only, not for law breaking purposes.

Originally Posted by skypilotpete

In case anyone else thinks that I don't appreciate their contributions, I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post: "The practical and ethical arguments presented here have helped me decide not to make copies." When I said it, I meant it. Thankyou - especially to the posters who answered my actual question, rather than passing judgment on my assumed motives.

I got off to a pretty bad start, when one of the earlier posts from Poppaea suggested that I might "consider regular postings in the joke-of-the-day-section". If that's not personal abuse or ridicule, I don't know what is. So, against my better judgement I decided to join in in a similar vein. Bad mistake!
My apologies to anyone who has been offended by any of my comments.

Personal abuse?

There is an enormous amount of irony in your post that you obviously can't see. And I think it is funny when someone who wants to do what he was asked not to do by the law and by the vendors business conditions wonders if others will abide when asked to do what he asks of them.

If I were in your shoes I'd would make me laugh about myself to be pointed to the irony of it.

When we go straigth down to it, you were asking if you who wants to steal something (which the DRM-stripping and distribution of copyrighted books is) and wonder if your fellow thieves are honest...

You know what? I think it was quite nice of me to make fun out of it.