Sharing ebooks???

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Ah, and Kenny, I'd give you some K. if you please stop quoting G. + F. Have them happily on my ignore list and you spoil it.

Apologies. I hate it when that happens. (those two were not on it but I did just recently clear my ignore list).

[Poppaea]

K. for you, my friend. This is my idea of a free world

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

T...
... freely available to all with the expectations of payment to be made after download, not prior. Just a little reversal you see!

Which is exactly why it won't work due to human nature.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by kennyc

And look at what it has become. A society of entitlement, whiners and slackers that think everything should be free.

Damn, you've started me off again.

Spoiler:

I don't know about America, but England was wrecked in the 80s by a government that decided it wanted everyone to be a mini-capitalist who owns shares in companies that used to be publicly owned anyway. It's the greed and selfishness that policy created in society as a whole that led to most of our current problems.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Damn, you've started me off again.

Spoiler:

I don't know about America, but England was wrecked in the 80s by a government that decided it wanted everyone to be a mini-capitalist who owns shares in companies that used to be publicly owned anyway. It's the greed and selfishness that policy created in society as a whole that led to most of our current problems.

Sorry.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Which is exactly why it won't work due to human nature.

And if I said that this is exactly the reason for why it will work?? The evidence for either side of this argument is held within each individual mind (if such a mind even exists). The end of copyright is coming, just a matter of time now. You can't expect the network to just hold all this information in lockdown while the masses want for knowledge can you? Food via money must flow, so it would behoove us all to think of new systems that will allow for the transfer of money in a copyright free world.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

And if I said that this is exactly the reason for why it will work?? The evidence for either side of this argument is held within each individual mind (if such a mind even exists). The end of copyright is coming, just a matter of time now. You can't expect the network to just hold all this information in lockdown while the masses want for knowledge can you? Food via money must flow, so it would behoove us all to think of new systems that will allow for the transfer of money in a copyright free world.

You don't know much about evolution or human nature do you?

Quit being dumb and look around you. It'll never happen. This is not copyright we're talking about. This is survival, this is life, this is humanity.

If you want free. I'm more than willing to take your savings, retirement and whatever other labor you willing to give me for free. I suspect others are too. Hmmm. Let's think about that a bit.

[kennyc]

Hey G. tell me where this is from:

Some possibilities:

In the midst of this massive, post apocalyptic science fiction novel, Kidd is writing poems. Here (it) becomes an extended meditation on the creation of art, how art works, where it comes from, how it suffers when it becomes a commodity, how the artists must finally face the reaction of the public. Not something I expected to find in a science fiction novel.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by kennyc

You don't know much about evolution or human nature do you?

Quit being dumb and look around you. It'll never happen. This is not copyright we're talking about. This is survival, this is life, this is humanity.

I don't want to point fingers, but who is this human you are talking about and what is their nature?

What we are talking about is an economic system where theft is irrelevant because there is nothing to steal.

[DiapDealer]

Giggles, are you still peddling that Zeitgeist, resource-based economy, Jacques Fresco, no-one needs to own anything hoo-ey?? You got bit hard by the idealist bug didn't you? Life will kick that right out of you in time, so it's good that you're getting it out of your system, I guess.

Man has always remained consistent about two things:
1) This is Mine.
2) If you want Mine. It will cost you.

That. Won't. Change.

[OtterBooks]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

It's not a good idea to admit to law breaking on a public forum, even if circumvention of copyright protection for private use is a silly thing for your government to make illegal.

Is stripping drm illegal? (say, in the U.S.) I've heard that distributing drm removal software was illegal, but not the act of removing it itself. I've seen discussions regarding this but I forget what was concluded.

[skypilotpete]

Thanks for all the replies. It has been a most enjoyable discussion. I find it hilarious how on almost every forum I've ever followed, good ol' U.S.Americans will eventually turn every discussion into a battle over life, the universe and everything.

Keep up the entertainment!

BTW - the practical and ethical arguments presented here have helped me decide not to make copies.

[kennyc]

That'll earn you a one-way trip to the ignore list.

[Giggleton]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Giggles, are you still peddling that Zeitgeist, resource-based economy, Jacques Fresco, no-one needs to own anything hoo-ey?? You got bit hard by the idealist bug didn't you? Life will kick that right out of you in time, so it's good that you're getting it out of your system, I guess.

Man has always remained consistent about two things:
1) This is Mine.
2) If you want Mine. It will cost you.

That. Won't. Change.

Everything I have is yours. Everything you have is mine. If my cats can share why can't we?

[skypilotpete]

Originally Posted by kennyc

That'll earn you a one-way trip to the ignore list.

Funny how you like to quote the Buddha in your signature: "Strive on with awareness". In the Buddhist view, ignorance is an active process - choosing to ignore anything that doesn't fit with your view of "reality". I think there is a fundamental contradiction between your signature and your actions.