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Old 04-14-2011, 02:39 PM   #586
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@Scarlet - just to back Nyn up on this. The workflow that I recommended to my Dad that I use also is simply "Plug it in" and "Send to device", then "Create collections" (plugin), "Eject", and finally restart the Kindle. Every time he puts the latest batch of books onto it.

We only use plugin generated collections, with any Kindle only ones like ~Reading~ just marked as an exemption in the plugin configuration and only managed on the Kindle itself. Keeps things simple once it is setup.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:05 PM   #587
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More options, more confusion

I'll try to make the workflow clearer in the first post. I've updated it already to make the Create and Edit options separate. In general if you use Create Collections you won't use Edit Collections and vice versa. The only exception is if you have a Currently Reading collection or other collection on the Kindle that you want to manually update on the Kindle - in this case if you want to modify the collection using the plugin you need to use the Edit option.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:24 PM   #588
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@meme - perhaps putting a menu separator between them too might help. Right now the natural instinct for some people may be to think I use "Create" once, and then use "Edit" afterwards. Which as you say is not correct
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The only thing I do differently than Kiwidude is I use the book sync plugin. When I add new books to the library, I use that plugin to maintain a list of books that need to go on the kindle on the next restart of Calibre, then I use this plugin to update the collections.

PS: I am actually surprised Kiwidude doesn't use it, since he is the one that created the plugin.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:38 PM   #590
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@meme - perhaps putting a menu separator between them too might help. Right now the natural instinct for some people may be to think I use "Create" once, and then use "Edit" afterwards. Which as you say is not correct
There already is. Its a little clearer in my test version as I group Create/Preview/Customize as one, and View/Edit as another and added some text. I've just completed all my changes - but I'll look at this again to make sure its clear. Now for some thorough testing and reviewing before releasing it this weekend.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:57 PM   #591
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PS: I am actually surprised Kiwidude doesn't use it, since he is the one that created the plugin.
Haha nyn, busted. The problem for me is that I am spending all of my time doing development and very little actually getting to use Calibre and the plugins in normal day to day tasks. Once I clear the backlog (though today I seem to have had a number of other things added to the list) I hope to just become a "normal" user again. Plus Book Sync suffers from the limitation of being limited to one device, and as I knew my Dad was about to get a second Kindle I didn't want him to start using a workflow he couldn't sustain

@meme - my sincere apologies, I should have plugged in the Kindle to check before posting. I went on memory, and my memory was that the two menu items were extremely similar by name and I knew I was going to have to carefully explain it to Dad. I liked the old simplicity of just clicking on the button rather than choosing from a menu of a whole bunch of stuff that he will never use and one menu option he (and I) will always use . In fact I suspect he would still be running the old plugin version from several months ago.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:27 PM   #592
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Thanks for clarifying. I'm using the tags I created in calibre to base my collections on, as well.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:29 PM   #593
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Well, kiwi, I understood your first paragraph! lol That was my process the first time and I know how to repeat those steps. Thanks!
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:33 PM   #594
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@meme - my sincere apologies, I should have plugged in the Kindle to check before posting. I went on memory, and my memory was that the two menu items were extremely similar by name and I knew I was going to have to carefully explain it to Dad. I liked the old simplicity of just clicking on the button rather than choosing from a menu of a whole bunch of stuff that he will never use and one menu option he (and I) will always use . In fact I suspect he would still be running the old plugin version from several months ago.
No issue - wasn't sure myself how 1.4.3 looked either.

I can understand wanting to just click the button once you've setup things. But with many people using Edit, and wanting to avoid accidentally running it when trying to click the menu item, using the menu seems the safest option. At least Create is the first entry . Now I suppose I could add the option to support a hot-key to run it....
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Well, kiwi, I understood your first paragraph! lol That was my process the first time and I know how to repeat those steps. Thanks!
You are welcome. As for the second paragraph, take a read of posts #557 and 559 two pages back, that should explain the whole ~Reading~ thing.
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Not posting on Kindle 3, pls HELP

Been trying all night. Have plugin working on latest ver. Calibre, Windows XP Pro. Copied files to kindle w/calibre, have custom column of genre, tags, etc. Tried all fixes for the issue of no collections showing on Kindle - regarding news feeds and magazines, but still nothing shows up. Eject, unplug, restart kindle, no go. Changed personal doc tag from [PDOCS] to News, [CUSTOM], didn't work. Am I supposed to use the brackets? Quotes?

Also tried deleting and recreating the files, no go. Here's the output I'm getting through calibre:
http://pastebin.com/cTPZV09S

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Been trying all night. Have plugin working on latest ver. Calibre, Windows XP Pro.
I don't have a Kindle but I believe this is the last step required to create the collections on your Kindle.

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Restart your Kindle to load the new collections
  • On the Kindle press the Home key, then press Menu, select Settings, then press Menu again and select Restart

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Been trying all night. Have plugin working on latest ver. Calibre, Windows XP Pro. Copied files to kindle w/calibre, have custom column of genre, tags, etc. Tried all fixes for the issue of no collections showing on Kindle - regarding news feeds and magazines, but still nothing shows up. Eject, unplug, restart kindle, no go. Changed personal doc tag from [PDOCS] to News, [CUSTOM], didn't work. Am I supposed to use the brackets? Quotes?
Yep, restarting the Kindle is important. But I wonder - the image shows you are using Preview, not Create (although you might also be running Create and just took a screenshot of Preview). Preview mode will not save anything. You have to run Create to actually create the collection entries on the Kindle.

But in any case, if you are trying to get Periodicals to show up in collections - they won't in version 1.4.3 due to a bug. The next version, which should be out today or tomorrow will include a fix for this
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Yep, restarting the Kindle is important. But I wonder - the image shows you are using Preview, not Create (although you might also be running Create and just took a screenshot of Preview). Preview mode will not save anything. You have to run Create to actually create the collection entries on the Kindle.

But in any case, if you are trying to get Periodicals to show up in collections - they won't in version 1.4.3 due to a bug. The next version, which should be out today or tomorrow will include a fix for this
Thanks - Yes, now that restarting through software (was doing full power off, figuring that'd be same thing, not same as a PC I guess) the new collections showing up.
Yes, just that example was preview, I did send files first, then did create to kindle.

Got a couple periodicals to appear, but ONE of them fails. Not sure why just the one. Is that bug you mentioned to blame for sporadic periodical issues?

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Not sure about the periodical issue - best to wait and try it on the new version.
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