Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited

[mickeyfinn]

After skimming this entire thread I have made up my mind!

No ereader for me.

I'll stick with the public library.

I think about 63% of you people suffer from some form of mental disability and the other 37% are only seriously addled.

[ArmorDog]

Originally Posted by mickeyfinn

After skimming this entire thread I have made up my mind!

No ereader for me.

I'll stick with the public library.

I think about 63% of you people suffer from some form of mental disability and the other 37% are only seriously addled.

This is the best part of the entire thread.

[iandix]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

you can rarely prove a legal unless it has been tested in court.

Ahh it's good to see that you now agree that it may not be legal! (as you say it has not been tested in court yet) .. well if you look at all laws that way you have an interesting view of the world.

From some of your other posts it appears that your view is.. if they didn't want us to do this, they would make it harder.. That sounds a bit like someone saying .. "if they didn't want us to rob them they should have locked their front door"

[nohmi2]

Isn't it a sad state of affairs that because of evangelical hysterics, and

proselyting about the device which they happen own, two possible buyers

have now been turned off of buying a 'reader'.

Ego driven posts and 'look at me' comments have again clouded the issue.

Cheers.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by nohmi2

Isn't it a sad state of affairs that because of evangelical hysterics, and

proselyting about the device which they happen own, two possible buyers

have now been turned off of buying a 'reader'.

Ego driven posts and 'look at me' comments have again clouded the issue.

Cheers.

Although I agree with your description of some of the posts, I disagree that this thread actually lead to those two individuals making a decision. Using an e-reader is a personal choice. How could one be so easily swayed? They either came here looking for a justification of a decision already made, or are also in the "look at me" category.

If the comments were posted in a "Which one should I buy?" thread that actually talked about the differences - weighing the pros and cons, of the many e-readers; or if the comments expressed an actual reason for said decision then maybe they would hold more weight.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by FF2

South The Story of Shackleton's Last Expedition, 1914-1917

And what surprised me was this:

"
Adobe EPUB eBook
Copy: allowed with no limitations
Print: allowed with no limitations
"

So, maybe borrowing an epub book is more open than some appear to believe.

And I really don't see much warning about what I can or cannot do once borrowed. There is this:

"You must have the appropriate digital software downloaded to your computer or PDA before you download these titles."

Well, I have the appropriate software on my computer, ADE, so I qualify for the download. Nothing else limits me after that???

The book is public domain.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

They definitely should, format confusion is a real problem and Amazon's mission is to solve all customer confusion. I'm just slightly annoyed every time I forget that Kindle can't read epubs after I forward myself one through email and receive that apology letter from Amazon, the least they could do is auto convert it for me.

Amazon's mission is not to solve all customer confusion. Amazon's mission is to take over the world of eBooks. This will not happen no matter how hard they try. If Amazon really wanted to end customer confusion, they'd dump AZW for ADE based ePub.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

do you actually have a question or are you simply engaged in Sony rattling?

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But that still doesn't answer my question. Is it legal to strip the DRM from library eBooks? That's different to stripping the DRM from purchased eBooks. So please stop side-stepping the question. This is the third time I've asked this.

I asked that multiple times and you've not answered. So I ask yet again. Are you going to keep trying to evade the question? In fact you've just done it again. Are you going to answer or not. If not, just say so so we know not to keep asking because you don't want to admit you may be wrong about DRM stripping when it comes to library eBooks.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Lemurion

Are you saying that personal use effectively lets you "change the locks" on someone else's property?

Why should any legal decision regarding what you are able to do with your own property have any bearing on what you can do with the library's property?

I know that when it comes to paper books I can do a lot with my own books that I can't do with the library's. In fact, it could be argued that removing the DRM from library eBooks is the equivalent of removing the bar code, card, and holder from a dead tree library book - and I think we can all agree on how happy that would make the librarians.

So, while yes, it is possible to read library books on Kindle - the fact that it requires stripping the information that proves it's the library's book rather than one's own, makes it at best an unauthorized and at worst a possibly illegal option.

It all comes back to the first rule of library books: they're not yours.

It seems to be getting a bit futile to get Kindlekitten to actually talk about library eBooks. I'm thinking that if she does answer, she'll have to say stripping DRM from library eBooks is wrong and thus her entire argument about the Kindle being able to handle library eBooks will have to go away.

[vaughnmr]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon's mission is not to solve all customer confusion. Amazon's mission is to take over the world of eBooks. This will not happen no matter how hard they try. If Amazon really wanted to end customer confusion, they'd dump AZW for ADE based ePub.

I value your informed opinions, when you do give them. I don't appreciate your constant Amazon bashing.

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon's mission is not to solve all customer confusion. Amazon's mission is to take over the world of eBooks. This will not happen no matter how hard they try. If Amazon really wanted to end customer confusion, they'd dump AZW for ADE based ePub.

I think Amazon's mission is to make money.

The thing is, Amazon makes their money by selling books; Adobe makes money selling DRM. Amazon doesn't have any incentive to support library books because it doesn't make them money, Adobe does, because they make money from the library's use of ADE.

It makes sense to me.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by iandix

Ahh it's good to see that you now agree that it may not be legal! (as you say it has not been tested in court yet) .. well if you look at all laws that way you have an interesting view of the world.

From some of your other posts it appears that your view is.. if they didn't want us to do this, they would make it harder.. That sounds a bit like someone saying .. "if they didn't want us to rob them they should have locked their front door"

do NOT misquote me!!!

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I asked that multiple times and you've not answered. So I ask yet again. Are you going to keep trying to evade the question? In fact you've just done it again. Are you going to answer or not. If not, just say so so we know not to keep asking because you don't want to admit you may be wrong about DRM stripping when it comes to library eBooks.

I don't know how many ways to say this;

in the United States it is NOT illegal to strip DRM for personal use.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Amazon's mission is to take over the world of eBooks. This will not happen no matter how hard they try.

Then why get so worked up about it?

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I don't know how many ways to say this;

in the United States it is NOT illegal to strip DRM for personal use.

As per this link here, I agree with you.

However, while it's clear that it's legal to strip DRM from one's own files for personal use, I don't see that it necessarily justifies stripping the DRM from files belonging to other people.

That's the leap I need to see justification for - not simply the removal of DRM - but the removal of DRM from files that are not yours.

[kindlekitten]

*shrug* it's essentially the "private use" test. it's not illegal as long as it is intended for personal use only